House of the Dragon / GoT - vet vet vet

I'll be honest I don't like a lot of fantasy/sci-fi unless it's star trek. And I'm talking about next Gen - DS9.

Syfy/fantasy usually has some sort of r*pe and nudity completely unnecessary to the plot and just shows women being brutalized. I assume any man who's into that is just p*** sick and deeply disturbed... I haven't been wrong so far

And each time I protest they literally don't understand why and that it's just a show. Yeah, just show...

I'm so glad this has been said out loud. I'm a big fan of magic/fantasy books because it has the element of escapism but what I've often noticed is - men who read the same books tend to sexualize the female characters and yk, get weirdly obsessive about details. They also often try to put you (if you are romantically involved with them) in a role similar to the female character they like, when most of these books are written by male authors who know nothing about how women think/talk. This is a problem in general with the reading community, and it only gets worse when these books are adapted as shows/movies. The original show used nudity and r**e for literal shock-value, and there were minors being sexualized openly, the justification being it's supposed to be set in less progressive times. Any man who is excited for this new show is a red flag. Especially knowing how the original turned out in the end.

I used to love "nerd culture" until I realized why there are no women in these communities. Its not because women don't like fantasy, outer space, dragons etc. Its because of the men and their love of rape incest and pedophilia. (Bdsm/poly is rampant in nerd communities for obvious reasons)

I've never played DND but I've heard that male dungeon masters(I think that's what they're called) often make the plot of the game all about raping any womans characters. I think I'm good on trying out DND, unless its all women.

I'll never forgive them for what they did to My Little Pony

Another good thing to vet for is anime. Anime includes a lot of groping/sexual assault as cutesy little gags, often of underage characters, or underage characters will be sexualized in other ways. Do NOT trust a guy who watches vtubers or anime. He is most definitely getting off to these infantalized caricatures of women.

A lot of media really influences men in particular for worse. GOT, anime have a lot of nudity and objectify women a lot so it's no surprise when a lot of their male fan base are scrotes. As one comment said, liking one of those shows by itself may not be a red flag but you'd look into what they like about it, their opinions on contentious female characters, if they like many shows like this etc. I'm convinced the misogynistic tropes and depictions of women have conditioned a generation of men to be latently misogynistic. Effectively training them to view women through a male gaze and through these tropes from a young age. Is it a surprise that they often see women in their lives as sex objects or supporting character NPCs when that's how they've seen us in the media they consume?

I have never watched either and never will. GoT also has a brother and sister sex scene I heard?! So gross and the people who watch such show .. ick

Imagine writing a whole fantasy world put keeping the deplorable male supremacist shit that male creatures do to women and girls. You know these degenerate authors get off on it. There is so much rape in the world- why someone would wants to tastelessly add to it shows their degeneracy.

Agree with everyone's points about not watching these shows. And while GRRM does do the usual make writer creepiness re women's breasts, I've noticed his main female characters are surprisingly well written considering he is a man. I could relate to them. The show, not so much. But those creaters are clearly scrotes.

I will play the devil's advocate and defend the show since I am huge fantasy/sci-fi fan and very much loved GoT early seasons. Men I know and value hated the graphic parts as much as I did so in my opinion généralisation show watching habits as vetting strategy can be a bit misleading. As a supplemental point yes, but vetting purely for being fan of GoT seems a bit excessive. GoT is not loved and adored for the graphic content for most fans but intricate details and complicated character development makes it great watch. Imho one can appreciate artistic input without agreeing or supporting all. It is like loving Die Walküre of Wagner without being Nazi.

I love fantasy and The Hobbit is one of my all-time favs, but I refuse to engage with GoT or The Witcher because of this. The creators made it clear than I'm not to be included in the target audience in the first place.

👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 FACTS! Not only is it creepy and degenerate, it is boring af. Maybe it's because the 1st show came out when I was a kid, but it looks like such a drag.

I refuse to watch either show or read the books. I also strongly dislike GRRM as well - I STRONGLY believe that any author who includes so much SA/r**e (and child marriage, Dany is around 14 when married) in the fantasy world they create is a DEFINITE SCROTE.

Wholly agree.

Hmm I have some mixed thoughts about this. I don't like gratuitous violence in anything. But abuse and rape of women, children and vulnerable people does happen and it is ubiquitous. I enjoy the occasional fantasy/sci-fi (and I would lump crime dramas and westerns in here too because it's a common trope in those genres too). I enjoyed quite a bit of GOT. As a survivor myself; I may not personally want to see the act, but I think sometimes showing how brutal or coerced it is so that 'normal' people have a chance of empathsizing - representation does matter, and this is an deep-rooted problem. If we don't normalise it, then it stays taboo and that silences victims/survivors in shame. I did a bit of film studies and to me, what matters is how overall the characters are portrayed and how the aftermath is dealt with. I do appreciate the hero's journey/'realistic' portrayals of how women find themselves/grow afterwards when it is applied to the survivor and the people around her in all its messy glory. Show the inconsistencies, panic attacks, the crying, the risky behaviour, the withdrawal, the fight/flight/freeze. Show me what poor support after the fact AND what good support looks like. Show me her coming to terms. Show me her finding her new normal. Show me her post tramatic growth. Don't show me a crying woman and then act like it didn't happen. I don't want to see a cheap plot device - especially one the serves to move a mans journey. The mom in Sons of Anarchy, Claire Danes in Dexter, Michelle Doherty in Godless and the girl with the dragon tattoo are compelling to me even though they are all outlandish scenarios. It is possible this can be done well in fastasy as well, but I haven't yet seen it done anywhere near well enough. To a certain extent, Sansa's overall journey is fairly compelling, even though it was butchered by the last couple of seasons being awful quality. There are plenty of low value men that shun everything to do with the subject of rape, including victims/survivors; because its icky/they don't think it's a real problem/beneath them/doesnt affect them etc etc. They are not good people. And are likely to shun their own daughter if it happened to them. To me, this is actually a good opportunity to vet a guy, without showing my hand. In my opinion, what's more important is not whether they watch a show like this at all, but is the way the guy I am dating talks about the overall show, and the characters themselves. Does he see her? Does he think the violence is gratuitous? Did he dip out of watching the show after such a scene? Why? Has he applied any critical thinking about what he has been shown? In my mind, if I like the overall storytelling in the show, and my date 'gets it' and displays high empathy to the survivor when she is messy/unlikeable as victims/survivors sometimes are in their healing then this could be a neutral-to-green flag. Or does he simply enjoy the spectacle of it, or seem to get off on it? In which case, you are bang on the money and I'd block and delete.