I came across this reddit post, and the comments were mostly negative.
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Unknown member
Oct 31, 2023
I'm in my late 30s and have worked in a variety of places (both blue-collar and white-collar), and the only conclusion I can draw is the work environment has nothing to do with gender. Men can create shitty environments. So can women. Men can create wonderful environments. So can women.
Plenty of women are psychos, idiots, and losers. But in general, women are more considerate, more self-aware, harder workers, smarter, funnier, have better hygeine, and have more integrity. Plus, no woman is going to sexually harass you at work or hide spy cams in the toilet.
Given the choice, I'd take my chances with female coworkers every time.
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Oct 31, 2023
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^^^ The worst you'll get is two-faced, light gossip. With dudes, you'll get assaulted. I think male problems are so prevalent in society that they don't even register anymore. I know a total of 7 women who have been raped at work in company blindspots.
Exactly. All I have at my female dominated work environment is some passive-aggressive meanness. My friend in a male dominated industry got sexually assaulted.
I mean, no one likes working with pickme bitches who tear other women down. Pickme women will race themselves down to the bottom, even with zero men there. Their internal hatred of themselves makes them incredibly unlikeable and hateful. It's wild to me that these pickme women would rather be sexually harassed by men than handle a little gossip, but that's pickmes for you. Solve a problem? Nope. Race themselves to the bottom by creating false dichotomies. Yup! It's almost amazing how these womem band together to say they'd LIKE being sexually harassed. Disgusting mindsets like theirs aren't helpful at all when it comes to making the workplace a better, safer environment.
Girl I work in a male dominated field and have been SO lucky that of the 10 women we have in the entire multi company building, I've only had problems with one. To be honest, all the ladies hate her cuz she tries to steal women's husbands and create drama. The rest of us all go out together and have a great time! It's super fun, we're all ages, too, 20's-60's going to party and play mini golf. She doesn't get invited tho cuz she has actively tried to take one of the woman's husbands (was instantly rejected, but she KEPT trying and HR had to be called) and my own father. Mind you, she KNOWS these men are taken yet she only goes after taken men. She's messy yet she thinks we're "clique-y" because we don't want to hang with a homewrecker.
I immediately go to HR when I have issues with men. I don't care to be known as the HR woman. Like, one dude just thought it'd be ok to start shoving me? Randomly? He wouldn't listen when I told him to stop, told me he'd stop when I decided to smile more, AND he did it in front of my boss. Yeah, he got suspended. Fuck these scrotes and fuck pickmes.
Almost like they're demonstrating with their own words why they may not be liked in the work environment. They prefer seeking male validation than succeeding at work.
I'm surrounded by many women at work, and it's wonderful. All of us solution-oriented and stuff gets done, even by the men who report to these awesome women.
So gross! And like yea it sucks having to turn your back on a fellow woman but damn you don't want a knife in it
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Oct 31, 2023
I work in an industry that's 99% female and I love it. I feel safe in it. Not having to worry about steeling myself every day for unwarranted misogyny. Doesn't mean there aren't issues, but at least misogyny isn't one of them. But I do have to go places where men are, in my job, and I remember one guy asked me for a nail clippers. I didn't have any. And he goes, "Every woman should have nail clippers on them at all times!" Oh really sir? Is that the rule? Ok, how come you asked me and not my butch lesbian partner? Could it be because she looks so masculine? She's a woman too! It was just a reminder of how misogyny can come out of no where in all different forms and levels.
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Oct 31, 2023
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even if you did have clippers, why would he just assume you'd share? that is gross. who knows where his nasty nails have been
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Oct 31, 2023
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He needed something sharp like scissors or nail clippers to cut down a banner, not for his nails, but still. Making a statement that ALL women should have nail clippers is ridiculous. And it's that low level misogyny that always catches me off guard. I just sat there silent in shock cause I never expect that low level misogyny directed my way. But I wish I had made a retort. He was a gay male too.
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Oct 31, 2023
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I've had a boss like that. A great boss for her JOB, but in terms of the people, she just did not care about what you want. If you're doing a decent job at your position, she will not let you move up, even if you know how to do the job you're saying you want. But the company will promise to let people move up.
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Oct 31, 2023
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That is some impressive girl bossing though, if you're gonna choose that route... How big was the company? Sorry you had to work for that. You can choose capitalism, or you can choose your soul, but not both.
I changed jobs at the beginning of the year and I have a female boss and a team that is around 50/50 men and women for the first time and compared to what I had before (being the only woman in an all male team that wasn't a student assistant, having only male bosses, in male-dominated academic environment... basically, a place where you needed elbows and a very thick skin) the difference is huge. Even though it's in tech.
I don't know if I am just lucky but the communication within the team and during meetings, appreciation of of each other and whole atmosphere is so much calmer and more professional. It's also amazing to finally have bosses who understand and appreciate that you have a life and responsibilites outside of work and there are certain things you can't do (e.g. certain days you can't work late, no overtime/schedule changes without prior notice, days you need off no matter what, no calls/emails/demands on your time outside of your work hours...).
Unlike most male bosses they have those responsibilities themselves and no wife, mother or girlfriend at home who takes care of everything so they can concentrate 100% on work.
Re: that first guy's comment - I don't think being nice to someone you dont like is being "two-faced". Some people irritate me, but I don't have to tell them that to their faces. What, are we supposed to be assholes to everyone we dont like? That's apparently what jas4870 does. Something tells me the reason jas4870 eats lunch by himself isnt because he's too mature for everyone else, but because he's an anti-social moron who goes around telling people he doesnt like them for no good reason.
So dont forget - when people carry on about the crappy women in their workplace, they might be misogynists unfairly judging women's normal, even pro-social, behavior as being "catty" or "bitchy".
Exactly-all these comments on the Reddit post about women's bad behavior in the workplace has me thinking it's just moreso normal neutral behavior but we are socially conditioned to think women should be held to higher standards.
As an older woman, the only reason I had a job I could retire from was because I worked for a woman. The first man in management under her started bullying me, in my opinion to get a younger woman in like his girlfriend who was looking for a job. He accused me of not doing something I already did and I smiled because the person who watched me do it was within earshot. I said nothing but kept an eye on him until he snapped at me over something he couldn’t find. Since he was going to be my supervisor temporarily when my boss was going away for a few weeks, I asked for her help because I sure as heck didn’t want to be subject to a tyrant while she was gone. Like a magician she made the problem go away and after he made some amends and grew to respect me a little over a few years.
I worked in all female environments for years as a nurse and I seldom if ever had any problems. The only time I *did* have drama was when it was a damn man in there with us and someone liked him or was dating him and didn't want me around him.
However the girls who attached themselves to the men ended up being the least liked and the least respected. It screamed desperation and drama to the rest of the women and was social suicide. Often it was also career suicide because they were too busy romancing to work.
It was always the desperate single girls bringing their insecurity and pick-meism into the workplace that were the drama - and the younger girls who still hadn't grown out of the highschool stuff. I slapped a ring on even though I wasn't married and mentioned my "husband" often. Best survival strategy ever.
The butch lesbians thrived socially, but I was too scared to be out.
Even when I ended up with groups of women I didn't quite fit in with I still didn't have problems with them, it was just lonely.
Only once in ten years had a bully for a superior and it wasn't catty typical feminine drama she was just a psycho narcissist.
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Oct 31, 2023
Ive had jobs where I'm the only woman, and jobs where there are few men. It's just different. The jobs with all men are usually really straighforward, and even the dudes don't really make friends with each other. Jobs with all women are safer, and nobody makes rape jokes and stuff. Some women are two-faced, but most of my favorite coworkers have been other women. I don't know what it is about aquarius women, but I can tell whenever I start a job who she is, and then I guess it, and they follow me around like a lost puppy for months after, in the best way. I can think of a handful of women who I REAAAAAALLY did not like, and it was pretty clear to everyone that we did not like each other.
Funny you bring up the Zodiac. My instinct as a Pisces in every work environment I've ever been in was to find the Scorpio woman. They're always ready to work together and they have a protective energy that I can't resist. That's how I knew the one female boss who was a bully was a narcissist. She was a Scorpio but she basically inverted and corrupted all the good qualities of a Scorpio woman. I never took anything she did personally at the time because it was so clear that she was spiritually defective. I just look back now in disbelief at all the bs I took from her.
I will say that pretty much every male I've worked with has dished out a little bit of what she gave me.
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Nov 01, 2023
women are 'two-faced' because we aren't allowed to be straightforward without being deemed a bitch. similarly, we ca't just be quiet. no. we need to be smiling and offering emotional support to everyone.
i've lost count of how many times i've heard "wow, you're really not going to compliment my new haircut/weight loss/outfit/etc?? do you hate me?" or how many times i've had people tell me to smile more because i have an 'moody face'. we must be nice to everyone, we must be docile and feminine all the time. otherwise, we are rude, there's something wrong with us, we need dick, we're weird or whatever.
we can't criticize someone because that would hurt their feelings. we can't make fun of someone because that's bullying. we can't have a bad day where we'd rather not talk to anybody because that's rude. and if we treat people well even when we don't really like them, we're two-faced. we can never get it right.
people call us bitches everytime we frustrate their misogynistic expectations.
Men ‘gossip’ a lot but sexually. Literally overheard so many male coworker talk about female coworkers like they’re near. Rating them, talking about how fuckable they are. Awful
One more thought - I think if you have a workplace with mostly supportive women, if there are any women who come in with internalized misogyny who act negatively towards other women, it will actually help open her eyes to seeing that women can and should (generally) be supportive of one another. I have witnessed this in group's outside of the workplace.
I've worked in a women-only environment for the past six years. We have had zero drama except for the one year that a man was hired and then ghosted the week before a deadline and we had to scramble as a team to pull it together.
As someone who works in stem, I'd love that ! The attention women have to detail is amazing, and the way they help when they notice my workload is too much. Not all women at my workplace are great, but it would be nice not to worry about men sexually harassing, being scrotey and thinking you shouldn't be there because you're a woman.
Although I have worked briefly in a nursing ward which was all women , it was a toxic work environment and the manager was horrible . This is probably less to do with it all being women and more to do with the occupation. Nurses face abuse from their patients, are underpaid and work shifts that are far too long . It was toxic because they hated it there I think.
I think there can be issues in any work place. I can only speak to my experience. Ultimately, workplace culture is often created by the few people you interact with most. So if those people suck, it usually sucks. And if management/the company tolerates abusiveness/favoritism/misogyny then that will bring out the worst in people.
That being said, I have loved that some of my managers have been women - they were smart and I could relate to them in a way I'd never be able to relate to male managers - and same for having them as interviewers.
When just the women were in my office, I felt safer and lighter.
I've had positive experiences working with men, I have mostly worked with men. BUT it is an act. I usually end up hearing about some twisted thoughts they have. They would never talk to me about it, but I'd hear them joke about it when they talk to one another.
I definitely feel more alone though in male-dominated workspaces. Less I can relate to. And there's no actual friendships.
My industry is mostly women and I like it that way.
At my workplace we have 3 men. And about 15 or so women.
I do think women can be mean to other women because of social conditioning etc, but my work place doesn't really have those problems. I do believe that those comments are probably true and it can also be difficult.
I used to work with a woman who was really obsessed with her creepy fiancé. As women we did gossip about him and we're always questioning why she would be with him. So yea, we did talk about her as well. It wasn't anything malicious, at worst we just said she has low self esteem.
Her fiancé would always flirt with her coworkers. Sometimes when she was right there. He's just so gross looking 🤢.
But she got really mad at all of us when she found out we were talking about him. She's not working there anymore and I'd say the gossip has pretty much left.
Pickme fairytale. Or a man spreading male propaganda 🙄
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Nov 02, 2023
My experience working in female dominated spaces has been traumatizing. There’s always the mean-girl queen bee who wants everyone to fawn over her or she alienates them and sabotages their career. I’ve been passive aggressively and aggressively bullied in all my jobs by women like this. Maybe it’s just my career field, but the crabs-in-a-barrel mindset abounds. Not saying men are better, they bully just as much but in different ways.
It depends on the environment. Before i worked in a predominantly female career and it depends. But I have been in cases when it was better in mixed company.
I'm in my late 30s and have worked in a variety of places (both blue-collar and white-collar), and the only conclusion I can draw is the work environment has nothing to do with gender. Men can create shitty environments. So can women. Men can create wonderful environments. So can women.
Plenty of women are psychos, idiots, and losers. But in general, women are more considerate, more self-aware, harder workers, smarter, funnier, have better hygeine, and have more integrity. Plus, no woman is going to sexually harass you at work or hide spy cams in the toilet.
Given the choice, I'd take my chances with female coworkers every time.
I mean, no one likes working with pickme bitches who tear other women down. Pickme women will race themselves down to the bottom, even with zero men there. Their internal hatred of themselves makes them incredibly unlikeable and hateful. It's wild to me that these pickme women would rather be sexually harassed by men than handle a little gossip, but that's pickmes for you. Solve a problem? Nope. Race themselves to the bottom by creating false dichotomies. Yup! It's almost amazing how these womem band together to say they'd LIKE being sexually harassed. Disgusting mindsets like theirs aren't helpful at all when it comes to making the workplace a better, safer environment.
I work in an industry that's 99% female and I love it. I feel safe in it. Not having to worry about steeling myself every day for unwarranted misogyny. Doesn't mean there aren't issues, but at least misogyny isn't one of them. But I do have to go places where men are, in my job, and I remember one guy asked me for a nail clippers. I didn't have any. And he goes, "Every woman should have nail clippers on them at all times!" Oh really sir? Is that the rule? Ok, how come you asked me and not my butch lesbian partner? Could it be because she looks so masculine? She's a woman too! It was just a reminder of how misogyny can come out of no where in all different forms and levels.
I changed jobs at the beginning of the year and I have a female boss and a team that is around 50/50 men and women for the first time and compared to what I had before (being the only woman in an all male team that wasn't a student assistant, having only male bosses, in male-dominated academic environment... basically, a place where you needed elbows and a very thick skin) the difference is huge. Even though it's in tech.
I don't know if I am just lucky but the communication within the team and during meetings, appreciation of of each other and whole atmosphere is so much calmer and more professional. It's also amazing to finally have bosses who understand and appreciate that you have a life and responsibilites outside of work and there are certain things you can't do (e.g. certain days you can't work late, no overtime/schedule changes without prior notice, days you need off no matter what, no calls/emails/demands on your time outside of your work hours...).
Unlike most male bosses they have those responsibilities themselves and no wife, mother or girlfriend at home who takes care of everything so they can concentrate 100% on work.
Re: that first guy's comment - I don't think being nice to someone you dont like is being "two-faced". Some people irritate me, but I don't have to tell them that to their faces. What, are we supposed to be assholes to everyone we dont like? That's apparently what jas4870 does. Something tells me the reason jas4870 eats lunch by himself isnt because he's too mature for everyone else, but because he's an anti-social moron who goes around telling people he doesnt like them for no good reason.
So dont forget - when people carry on about the crappy women in their workplace, they might be misogynists unfairly judging women's normal, even pro-social, behavior as being "catty" or "bitchy".
As an older woman, the only reason I had a job I could retire from was because I worked for a woman. The first man in management under her started bullying me, in my opinion to get a younger woman in like his girlfriend who was looking for a job. He accused me of not doing something I already did and I smiled because the person who watched me do it was within earshot. I said nothing but kept an eye on him until he snapped at me over something he couldn’t find. Since he was going to be my supervisor temporarily when my boss was going away for a few weeks, I asked for her help because I sure as heck didn’t want to be subject to a tyrant while she was gone. Like a magician she made the problem go away and after he made some amends and grew to respect me a little over a few years.
I worked in all female environments for years as a nurse and I seldom if ever had any problems. The only time I *did* have drama was when it was a damn man in there with us and someone liked him or was dating him and didn't want me around him.
However the girls who attached themselves to the men ended up being the least liked and the least respected. It screamed desperation and drama to the rest of the women and was social suicide. Often it was also career suicide because they were too busy romancing to work.
It was always the desperate single girls bringing their insecurity and pick-meism into the workplace that were the drama - and the younger girls who still hadn't grown out of the highschool stuff. I slapped a ring on even though I wasn't married and mentioned my "husband" often. Best survival strategy ever.
The butch lesbians thrived socially, but I was too scared to be out.
Even when I ended up with groups of women I didn't quite fit in with I still didn't have problems with them, it was just lonely.
Only once in ten years had a bully for a superior and it wasn't catty typical feminine drama she was just a psycho narcissist.
Ive had jobs where I'm the only woman, and jobs where there are few men. It's just different. The jobs with all men are usually really straighforward, and even the dudes don't really make friends with each other. Jobs with all women are safer, and nobody makes rape jokes and stuff. Some women are two-faced, but most of my favorite coworkers have been other women. I don't know what it is about aquarius women, but I can tell whenever I start a job who she is, and then I guess it, and they follow me around like a lost puppy for months after, in the best way. I can think of a handful of women who I REAAAAAALLY did not like, and it was pretty clear to everyone that we did not like each other.
women are 'two-faced' because we aren't allowed to be straightforward without being deemed a bitch. similarly, we ca't just be quiet. no. we need to be smiling and offering emotional support to everyone.
i've lost count of how many times i've heard "wow, you're really not going to compliment my new haircut/weight loss/outfit/etc?? do you hate me?" or how many times i've had people tell me to smile more because i have an 'moody face'. we must be nice to everyone, we must be docile and feminine all the time. otherwise, we are rude, there's something wrong with us, we need dick, we're weird or whatever.
we can't criticize someone because that would hurt their feelings. we can't make fun of someone because that's bullying. we can't have a bad day where we'd rather not talk to anybody because that's rude. and if we treat people well even when we don't really like them, we're two-faced. we can never get it right.
people call us bitches everytime we frustrate their misogynistic expectations.
Men ‘gossip’ a lot but sexually. Literally overheard so many male coworker talk about female coworkers like they’re near. Rating them, talking about how fuckable they are. Awful
One more thought - I think if you have a workplace with mostly supportive women, if there are any women who come in with internalized misogyny who act negatively towards other women, it will actually help open her eyes to seeing that women can and should (generally) be supportive of one another. I have witnessed this in group's outside of the workplace.
I've worked in a women-only environment for the past six years. We have had zero drama except for the one year that a man was hired and then ghosted the week before a deadline and we had to scramble as a team to pull it together.
As someone who works in stem, I'd love that ! The attention women have to detail is amazing, and the way they help when they notice my workload is too much. Not all women at my workplace are great, but it would be nice not to worry about men sexually harassing, being scrotey and thinking you shouldn't be there because you're a woman.
Although I have worked briefly in a nursing ward which was all women , it was a toxic work environment and the manager was horrible . This is probably less to do with it all being women and more to do with the occupation. Nurses face abuse from their patients, are underpaid and work shifts that are far too long . It was toxic because they hated it there I think.
It's peaceful knowing that other women are there and you can go about your day safely. ✨️ except for when a rare pickme rolls in.
I think there can be issues in any work place. I can only speak to my experience. Ultimately, workplace culture is often created by the few people you interact with most. So if those people suck, it usually sucks. And if management/the company tolerates abusiveness/favoritism/misogyny then that will bring out the worst in people.
That being said, I have loved that some of my managers have been women - they were smart and I could relate to them in a way I'd never be able to relate to male managers - and same for having them as interviewers.
When just the women were in my office, I felt safer and lighter.
I've had positive experiences working with men, I have mostly worked with men. BUT it is an act. I usually end up hearing about some twisted thoughts they have. They would never talk to me about it, but I'd hear them joke about it when they talk to one another.
I definitely feel more alone though in male-dominated workspaces. Less I can relate to. And there's no actual friendships.
My industry is mostly women and I like it that way.
At my workplace we have 3 men. And about 15 or so women.
I do think women can be mean to other women because of social conditioning etc, but my work place doesn't really have those problems. I do believe that those comments are probably true and it can also be difficult.
I used to work with a woman who was really obsessed with her creepy fiancé. As women we did gossip about him and we're always questioning why she would be with him. So yea, we did talk about her as well. It wasn't anything malicious, at worst we just said she has low self esteem.
Her fiancé would always flirt with her coworkers. Sometimes when she was right there. He's just so gross looking 🤢.
But she got really mad at all of us when she found out we were talking about him. She's not working there anymore and I'd say the gossip has pretty much left.
Pickme fairytale. Or a man spreading male propaganda 🙄
My experience working in female dominated spaces has been traumatizing. There’s always the mean-girl queen bee who wants everyone to fawn over her or she alienates them and sabotages their career. I’ve been passive aggressively and aggressively bullied in all my jobs by women like this. Maybe it’s just my career field, but the crabs-in-a-barrel mindset abounds. Not saying men are better, they bully just as much but in different ways.