Today’s 18yr old girl mindsets are alarming.

Wow, this is alarming, and sad. They are going to get fkd over royally. My 14 year old has very strong views already. She got upset hearing a man call a woman ‘girl’ and said she wouldn’t tolerate it. I hope she continues on this path lol. But the brainwashing of women and girl is very strong. All the Kevin Samuels types have done a number of them.

thank you libfem pop culture, for leaving our young women vulnerable to the wild predators! 🙃

Lundy Bancroft I think addressed the "men and women are abused and raped equally" argument men's rights activists have. Even accounting for underreporting the statistics of men being abused don't even come near the numbers for women. And I think I remember he also pointed out that it's very shameful for women to report these things too! Women often don't come forward just because they know they will not be helped by the justice system. So imaging the real and actual statistics for women when you count how much women do not report is really frightening.

If you wanna have these discussions with the kids and not get stumped by their BS propaganda arguments then start going nuts on the feminist literature and research statistics lol. And start sending them these statistics and book excerpts in a ladies group chat or something. But don't beat yourself up for their mindsets, so much of what they are saying is major social conditioning and I think we've all fallen for it at some point.

I'm in my early thirties and was around your daughters age in the early 2000's. I can remember being around 17 and telling one of my friends that feminism isn't needed anymore because men and women are equal now. Obviously, now I cringe so hard when I recall that memory, but the reason I said that was because I must of heard it somewhere. I can remember this overall theme that because women are working, we can go to college and become anything we want that we have achieved equality and feminism is over (lol).

My mom is definitely not a feminist and never taught me anything about it growing up. She also never really was honest with me about how bad men are. We also didn't learn anything about women's history in school. I graduated highschool not knowing when women were given the right to vote in the USA. None of my friends ever talked about feminism. I grew up being very naive about men.

I mention this because it illustrates how our society continues to bury women's struggles and women's history. If women and girls don't know what it was actually like for women 30, 40 or 100 years ago, if we think we have all of our rights and we are equal, how can we be motivated to align ourselves with a cause that wants to advance women's rights? How can we hold men accountable when we are being constantly gaslighted about what they have been doing to us?

I am willing to bet that most schools still don't teach women's history. I am also willing to bet that all the misogynist red-pill nonsense has seeped into girls brains too. Red pill rhetoric has been around for over a decade now, it's gotta be all over the internet and social media. Boys pick this stuff up and parrot it to girls who don't know any better. There will always be girls who will agree with what boys say for validation. Look at what happened with Amber Heard and how so many women were dragging her thru the mud.

The good thing is that I think women generally become more radical with age and experience with men. By the time I was 20 I started calling myself a feminist, now I'm 32 and a radical feminist.

Sorry for the long rant but I have hope for your daughter and niece, I would of loved to have an FDS queen for a mom lol.

People are really surprised? Not to generalize here, but Zoomers as a generation epitomize the idea of being so open-minded that your mind falls out. I know many are smart, but as a whole on any side of the political spectrum, they're very bad about virtue signaling and use a lot of black and white thinking to navigate discourse and ideological/social issues. While there IS certainly a surprising number of radfem/rad leaning Zoomers, they still suffer what all generations of women suffer: living in a patriarchal society that ingrains sexism in them from birth.

Not to mention, with all this sexual abuse and DV stuff being brought into the light, there is inevitable pushback from the anti MeToo crowd, and if you want to show you're One of the Good Ones, you as a girl better throw under girls under the bus, no matter how horrific their stories.

This is disappointing, but I guess not unexpected depending on who they surround themselves with.

I remember Gail Dines saying that she would talk to her son about things they saw - movies, billboards, news events, etc, rather than sitting down and having an hour long conversation about sexism. (I'm not criticizing your approach here, just repeating what Gail Dines said specifically.) I think she's right that it's easier to get a point across when you have real life example right in front of you. And that it's easier for young people to digest the information when it's in small bits rather than all at once.

For example, the next time a mass shooting happens, talk to them both about the man's motivations, how he had violent fantasies and how you noticed that women rarely ever do that. (I'm assuming you are in the US.)

There are so many other examples that come up all the time. When you see one, say something, invite the conversation. It will take a little time, but I think their mindset will shift.

I agree, and that's where the education system needs to spend some time teaching gender violence and stats, true stats. Well done on having a chat, most people wouldn't know where or how to start these conversations and often just don't bother. Which is one of the reasons we have this patriarchy problem.

According to them are women also equally likely to shoot you schools? I wonder what they would say?