My doormat and pickme way in dating are gone thanks to FDS but I find that that low self esteem is still hanging in my career life lmao. I’m applying for a remote part time(20h/week) travel consultant/executive assistant(the title is executive assistant but duties looks a lot like travel consultant) for a women owned travel tour agency. And they’re asking what is your rate as opposed to saying what their rate is. My first thought was to literally type a low number because I’m scared but I’m not gonna do that anymore. wondering if anyone has been in this situation? Initially I was gonna low ball $15 but I think maybe $18 would be better. There’s also opportunities to grow and it’s still a small number of employees there. $20 would be great but I feel like it might be too much for what they want. I’m thinking along the line of “my rate is $18 but I am open for further discussion”.
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That’s too low in my opinion, that’s almost minimum wage where I am. I would ask for the highest you can based on your research. Btw, you can always always negotiate an offer. You never accept what they give you because they always lowball it and keep room for negotiations.
Remember one big thing, which is that companies can't get away with using geography to low-ball you, not in this job market. We've all seen how possible it is to do the same job from anywhere during the pandemic. And is a midsize manufacturer or construction company paying any less for raw materials because they're located in Birmingham, AL instead of San Francisco? Companies know how much stuff costs. They set their rates accordingly. Yet they all want to shave a buck on the backs of labor. Real estate is another good example. I've watched home prices across the U.S. for years, and it was always a truism that if nothing else, you could move to BFE and buy a home cheap. But I've watched even third-tier city housing prices skyrocket while wages there stagnate. Look at any city in FL, but especially Tampa/St. Pete. If you work for less than $55k a year ($25/hr PT), do it only if you've got a subsidized housing situation (living with parents or roommates) and you're building up your experience. Otherwise, they're ripping you off, no matter how small the company or how much of a "family" they say they are. Good families don't let their dependents starve.
Hey, there is a very interesting video on Youtube by Stanford Business school on Salary negotiations. It is based on research on how women v/s men approach it. I would recommend watching it. Also, Check Levels.fyi
My rate is 100/hour as a freelancer. Gues that translates to minimum 50 as a real employee. How I would say it : this is what I am making currently but I am flexible depending in the whole package. If you have multible years of experience in a similar role research industry standard and go a bit higher. If not try to quantify what you have accomplished in numbers: Ie. I seated x amount of people in year 2021 and served x amount of people. Or as a supporting role highlight the achievements your company/department/boss had and highlight your part in it making that happen.
Yes. Last year I was in a different role and I asked to be a part of the IT department. I looked the VP in the eyes and said that I would not accept anything less than xxx, and they ended up offering me $13k over that rate as a Jr, with a promise of a promotion within a year. Confidence. Key. Know your worth. Perception is reality. Make your reality their perception. But first it has to be real to YOU.
I’ve been on both sides of hiring and there’s a few things that I would recommend: 1) Never give your “rock bottom number”. Ever. The company is always looking for the best cost for them. Don’t give it to them. If you’re salary, go $5k - $10k higher than what your rock bottom number is. If you’re hourly, go up a couple of dollars an hour (after researching what the rates are in your area). This way, there’s some wiggle room. However, this leads to number 2. 2) Whenever they ask for your salary or hourly range, always turn the question back around. There is no winning if you’re going to give them a number. Ways to turn things around on them: “I don’t want to waste your time, so what’s the range on this?” “I tend to be a bit higher due to my experience, so what do you have to work with?” This puts them in the position of trying to appeal to you. Remember, they want you. Make them work for it. If an hourly position is $15-$20 an hour, then you can say “oh I’m right in that range. I usually ask for $18 an hour.” Same goes for salary. 3) If all else fails, and they refuse to give you a range - then refer back to the second part of #1. 4) Don’t oversell yourself. You’re not going to get a $200k a year job with 2 years of experience. Make sure you research the average salary in your location & determine a range of $10k salary or $2-$3 hourly that you would be willing to accept. If you’re under $100k - make that range $5k. Example: $140-$150k a year OR $75-$80k a year. Having been on the hiring side, I am always amazed at the folks who are willing to just give out a number when my range can be significantly higher - so they’re short changing themselves. Don’t do this. You’ll never win.
I used to think "omg, could someone ACTUALLY think I was worth a whole 40k? Who on earth would ever offer me 50k?" I thought I was worthless even though I was educated with a great attitude and work ethic in a high cost of living city. Now I'm earning 65+ and looking for ways to increase it to 70-75. Don't sell yourself short, NEVER tell them your absolute bottom number, increase your absolute bottom by 7k if not 10k. If you did your budget and anything under 40k would send you to the poor house, don't tell them you *need* 40k. Tell them you were "aiming for 50k-55k based on my education and experience" That way when they offer you 48k you aren't in trouble.
1. Have the audacity and confidence of a mediocre white 25 year old guy 2. Apply for jobs you meet 60% of the criteria for. They want 3 years experience and you have 18 months? Apply. They want masters "preferred" but only bachelors required? And you have bachelor's? Apply. You aren't competing against the dream perfect candidate in most cases-that person doesn't always exist at the time of the job listing. And even if they did, they probably couldn't afford them. Much better for a company to train someone and hire at a "discount" (compared to what perfect dream candidate would cost them because perfect dream candidate has many offers) who meets 70% of criteria and has a great attitude. I've heard from hiring managers across many fields that out of 300 resumes, only 90 are grammatically correct or even remotely qualified. Out of those, only 30 will be available for a phone interview. Out of those, only 10 will be good enough for in person (weird phone call, anti social, abrasive, late) and out of those ten, only 3-4 will be good enough (show up to the interview, not lying about qualifications). The books I recommend for any interviewer or any professional are Audible Peggy McKee-how to ace your phone interview Peggy McKee-interview tips I&II (got me two great jobs at a great place, and every job I've interviewed for since) Nice girls don't get the corner office- Lois p Frankel , career coach of decades. Cliffnotes- don't be the woman with candy and cookies on your desk (don't feed the office or fetch coffee). When your boss compliments your work say "thank you, I'm proud of my work/I appreciate that" rather than "oh it was nothing, oh usually I'm such a ditz thank God I got it this time, oh no problem". Such great books. But most of all recognize you aren't actually competing against 40 good applicants in a pool of 40 applicants- just the ten best, but even then they might not show to the interview or have accepted another offer. If they ask about what salary you want, say "what did you have budgeted for the position?" They can't really weasel out of that one. If they keep pushing say "I'd like to see if we are a good fit first before we talk about the money" and back to "if you told me what you budgeted for the position, I could tell you if I'm comfortable with that range".
I am going through this currently and decided to enlist the services of a professional salary negotiator.
True I could have gone through this myself but I've justified the service's cost (retainer and then a percentage of the negotiated difference) as an investment and education for how to advocate for myself for now and later. Emphasis on how,
especially as self inflicted pressure, negative/downplaying talk of my capabilities and just general awkwardness about talking big tech salary money...as previously cost me.
My negotiator has taught me how to be more calculated with my approach (the importance of gaining information for leverage), given me the confidence to ask, provided written materials with further advice and also offers positive perspectives when negativity and doubt came to bite at me.
I always look up the average salary for a position in my area and then I take an honest look at my skill set. I compare what my position entails to what the positions described entails to see if I have more or less responsibilities and adjust my salary request accordingly. I march into negotiations WITH that paper work. For instance, I was a clinic director. PLUS I did certifications, IPN agreements, medical billing, coding, eligibility, AR management - basically over seen everything administration side. I walked in with three print outs of the average salary for a basic clinic director in my area, then listed all the additional skills I bring to the table and extra responsibilities I shoulder that save them money (Being on call 24/7 means they don't pay an a 24/7 answering service, etc) After I run through the list I tell them that because of all I bring to the table, at a much more discounted rate then what they would have to spend contracting that labor, and I have been doing it quietly for some time, I am hoping they will consider valuing my dedication with considering a raise. When you ever you bring in paper showing what you ask for is very reasonable in the market, it always works like a charm.
I'm not sure about the specific job you mentioned. But generally for salary negotiations, you want to try to support whatever you say with some kind of facts.
For example, could you go on Glassdoor and research average salaries for that type of position? Make sure you take into account cost of living in your area. Glassdoor average salaries can sometimes be lower than what those salaries would be in high cost of living cities. Use that as a benchmark and ask for more if you have some relevant experience, and less if you are entry level.
If you are applying from a university, you could go to your career services, and look at average starting salaries for that type of position and use that to negotiate.
If you have any friends doing a similar job with a similar number of years of experience, you could ask them their salary if you feel comfortable doing that.
Don't be afraid to ask for a higher number than you think, because oftentimes if you ask for a low number, they will think that your work is low quality. Think like an entitled white man and ask accordingly.
Hopefully someone else in this forum will have more insight about the particular position you asked. This is more so general advice.