Old School FDS will always have a place in my heart, but this is a damn circus

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im old school fds. I lurked when it was in Reddit. I probably started reading and internalizing and learning about fds in late 2019/early 2020. So awhile.

I liked when it was fun and strategic and women talked about their dating experiences. I liked making fun of scrotes.

The vibe is different now. I'm not a big fan of WGTOW posts. This is a dating strategy. If they wanted to go their own way, why post here? Why not make your own space?

You can barely talk about anything dating related because all the responses are "don't date men" "why do that to yourself?"

THIS IS ABOUT DATING.

"I’m actually in a relationship with a man I’m happy with. FDS worked. Ta frickin da.

I find him sexually attractive, he treats me amazing in bed, he pays for everything, he is loyal to me. He is hardworking, empathetic, dependable, intelligent, generous, and kind"

I'm so happy for ! You got a HVM because you are a HVW.

I've been with my bf for almost a year and I'm happy with him. He does things everyday to make me happy. He is someone I wouldn't be with if I hadn't leveled up.

That's why old school fds was so important.

I hate that having a bf and being in a relationship gets you called a pick me.

Ummmmm.... that's why we're here. To find a HVM.

This was the last piece of social media I was consuming so now I finally have an excuse to not be on my phone at all. The plot is gone. The strategy is gone. Nothing can stay the same forever. It’s a shame that this website has turned into this. The lack of modding is certainly an issue and our OG Queens Reaux and Savannah focused their efforts on the pod and hardly ever check out what’s going on here. I don’t blame them. I feel bad for new comers to the site. I promise, what you’re seeing wasn’t what FDS stood for. This wasn’t what we were about. There’s dissing scrotes and then there’s the pure man hatred going on. Name calling anyone who doesn’t agree. The infighting is high school mean girl drama. But you know what, the Queens who took FDS and applied it to their lives and are truly happy, won’t be spending all their energy on here. They’re not gonna be chronically online, making half a dozen posts a day, replying to strangers and arguing. So to any new comers, read the handbook, listen to the podcast episodes, scroll through all the old subreddit posts. Don’t waste your time here. I don’t know what a good comparison would be, it’s like we’re all supposed to be under the same umbrella but we’ve branched out to mean different things. Like religion. The activity here is rightfully making people hate on FDS, thinking we’re all just man hating femcels. Hard to defend when the official website has turned to this. Like no….we’re not all like this, I promise ;~;

I think part of the problem with this platform is not being able to manage the content that I personally see. I have tried to block a certain user because I simply am not interested in seeing their frequent posts, but blocking does not remove the posts from my feed. Not sure if that's just another bug or what, but it definitely makes the experience here more frustrating.

Most people on here don't bother to read the handbook. And you got it spot on. Most women on here are "continuing to engage with men in a way that is severely lacking in self-respect, wisdom, and dignity. It is soul rotting and yes they are continuing to perpetuate this culture that does not help other women especially themselves."

You put it so well and so elaborately.

I'm just tired of people on here not bothering to read the handbook. I want to help but they really need to start with the handbook. It would be nice to have a separate space called "ask FDS" like we did on Reddit. I miss the OG fds.

This summarizes my stance well. I lurk very occasionally now, because it's amusing sometimes. So much easier to watch from the sidelines and chuckle than trying to be actively involved. The valuable lessons are still there, in my head, even if this space has gone downhill. Good luck to all of you who decide to stay. It's supremely ironic that FDS, the very thing which taught me to let go of everything that is not beneficial to me, caused me to leave FDS, or at least what it has become.

Thank you for this. I joined FDS after it moved away from Reddit, which was obviously to get away from the trolls. I remember finding it pretty dang radical (not in the political sense) but what I heard I generally agreed with. It was as if I'd finally found people who spoke my language. Now instead of being pro-woman, the forum feels like it has become what Reddit said it was; a toxic hate fest. I look around for the Usernames of the women whose opinions I respected, but they are dropping away. I used to devour every post, but now I feel sad and disconnected when reading them.

Been staying off this shitshow of a forum but came back to check if it's gotten any better and saw this. Just wanted to say, I whole heartedly agree.

Such a disappointment this has come to. Barely any high value behavior on here anymore so I'm redirecting my energy elsewhere. OG FDS saved my life and I'll always appreciate that and maintain the principles.

I'm happy for you and your HVM, enjoy it!! Let these lv people hate lol you're doing something right.

Same. I feel like this isn't my place anymore. At least I have the handbook and can read through the old school strategic posts here, most of the new posts bum me out. I want ruthless strategy and sharp witt. I want other women supported and encouraged. Not the hate fest and scrote news. I'm just not interested. I enjoy the old content and some of the podcasts are good to listen to. My commiserations. I hope we find something else that chimes. Old schools FDS was special

I too cancelled my membership for the same reasons. There is a lot of useful info here and some thoughtful, relevant posts but it’s being overrun with negativity. I feel like too many of the women that post regularly are really WGTOW and just use this forum for unhinged ranting about their hatred of men. Then there’s the infighting…

I would love to see this forum decenter men, focus on actionable steps for acheiving relationship goals, and support/uplift each other.

There are a lot less strategy posts and tips which is disappointing, but complaining about bad men has always been a part of FDS.

WGTOW is helpful for becoming the best version of yourself, and potentially meeting a HVM but staying happy and independent whether that happens or not.

There is also a lot of racism and classism nowadays. Guaranteed, FDS was all about giving tough love. But now people are just plain ignorant and rude. I might delete this app as soon as I find another community that has still kept its focus on levelling up as women and forming actionable strategies to deal with life in a woman-hating world.

I'll miss seeing your level-headed comments!

I'm glad to see you found a good man 👏. I believe they do exist, but not easy to find.

FDS was in it's peak on Reddit. But now it's a bird in a cage with clipped wings.

Please seek refuge on Tiktok, And make shorts about roasting scrotes, I'm on tiktok and I'm loving seeing Queens putting dusty Kangs in place.

There is this woman who has strong FDS/WGTOW value's and puts men in their place better than Pastor P who just giggles when men challenge her on their show.

Her Tiktok/youtune is Amani talks, Better than Pastor P because I think we women should listen to other successful women more instead.

I miss the daily roasts, how icels talk about us, feeling upset that we don't tolerate their crap, Please FDS mods If you don't like Reddit then try youtube.

The Podcast is incredibly boring and I can't even listen 5 minutes to it, At least invite great women on there or even women who are WGTOW, It's better than letting FDS fade into obscurity while the manosphere rises, They need competition instead of letting smelly and unfit goons spread doubts on a woman's worth and make women question their standards.

Manosphere want women to lower their standards,

WGTOW teaches women that they are their own legacy,

FDS standards for maximum female benefit so why do the Redpill incels make more women doubtful of their own worth as a human?

More women should wake up but it can't happen if FDS remains on this site only.

What happened I missed it lol

I love seeing FDS work out for people.

Finding a dude that's actually not a POS is so hard to do, so most women have to lie. I don't even bother creating new Reddit accounts, because unless it's truly FDS, you can't trust women online talking most dudes up. Fucking love this site just cuz of this.

That's so cool that you get to have a family with a dude and be the first wife and not like, some kind of replacement mom/wife he had to throw on a family that he set on fire or some stupid Reddit style shit.

Wish you'd stay just so you could share tips with us...

Just so fucking rare, ya know?

Keep being a good wife, sounds like he's a true keeper.

Yoo I recommend terf tumblr to anybody who's leaving this site. It's a pretty active community and isn't as toxic as fds, although the ideologies vary a bit since it's not inherently related to fds, but it's a decent alternative at least in my opinion. I've been lurking there a ton and it's pretty good.

I do agree that this forum is kind of a circlejerk. I came here in hopes of having the same vibes as I saw in the subreddit but uuhh let's just say I was disappointed. I would've left already but I'm an optimist and I still have hope that in some way it'll get better - e.g by a mod waking up and purging all the low-effort posts. Though I really hope I'm not a part of the problem when people talk about this place being toxic and kinda shit. It's really depressing that female-only spaces are dying out and rottin like this, meanwhile all the blackpill circlejerk just keeps growing in popularity. This place really had potential, but it seems like people in charge don't care about the forum anymore

I'm always suspicious about anyone who tries a little too hard to prove how happy they are to strangers on the internet. You've done that for quite a while, and I find the tone of all your posts to be...off, like you have an axe to grind but don't want to reveal what it is.

You also continue to be very active on this forum after letting everyone know you plan to stop being so active. Save us the fanfare next time, and just leave. The door is open, little drug addict. 😁