West 4B

Women are the prize, but men have been treating us like we aren't. Women got smarter and instead of "Keeping the legs closed" or "Choose better" Women are letting men stand on the bridge they burned.

It's not the type of accountability they want but they just have to deal with it.

If men want to change it so bad then then that Patriarchial crap undone and make it easy for women to have children, not men. Women should have 75K on their bank accounts not men because they are not the one raising those children.

Because of 4B and the rapid growth the FBI finally started to investigate the smelly and unfit/Red fart community. Seeing them for what they are.

I'm glad that it's happening. I've been chewed out by other FDS who are probably triggered men about saying that women are better off separated from men.

Women should inherit half of the planet and the human male should inherit the other half, Let's see who will die by deceit, murder and wars first.

My faith in men is slowly declining because they let a dude who ruined his wife career proudly speak about how important it is to be a homemaker while there were more girls graduating that dudes.

I'm considering 4B and leave FDS behind because I'm not seeing men getting better, instead they took the violence up a notch.

You’re right, FDS doesn’t have a stance on 4B because we want to to help each other date good men.

That said, we ladies at FDS don’t find 4B to be a bad thing. Women going their own way for their own peace and joy is WAY better than settling for a man. We agree single is better than settling. So. It’s better 4B than a pickme.

I mean, yeah it makes sense that this community doesn’t align with 4b.

We’re about strategy to date men so we don’t end up with losers.

But, I’m all for the 4b movement. I think it’s time men suffer the consequences of their actions.

You can see it working too, all the sad men complaining that women won’t date them, sleep with them etc.

Hopefully this makes them get it together and do better.

But I do think there’s lots of like minded women in FDS and 4b communities.

I think anything that has the potential to force men to evolve, is a great thing. So I love 4B, and I wholeheartedly embrace our sisters.

I’d rather have a world filled with 4B women, than a world of Pickmes.

And part of me agrees that men aren’t getting better - they’re getting angrier. Which means we may go thru a dark period before men accept reality and actually improve.

What better way than to prevent assholes from reproducing for 20 years or so? Then the next crop of male babies will be descended from (the few!) kind, caring, and generous men. Problem solved!

This group, in practice, is much more about avoiding LVMs than it is about finding HVMs. So, definitely 4B adjacent.

This is from someone who graduated grad school last year with a specification in gender studies.

The night before graduation, I typed in “4b movement” into my school’s search engine and I found 2 repuatble articles. Make no mistake, the 4b movement is not just a short term trend, but it’s here to stay unless women start getting the right treatment that we deserve. It is just the beginning.

i'm 4B for life. I've been for a couple years now, even before finding FDS. I'm here for the learning, sharing, teaching and the leveling up. there are things here i disagree with, and there are even more things i do agree with. so, not into dating for a long time now, but i'm still interested in the subject smh haha

to me 4B is the next step after decentering men, but not for everyone. so first you decenter men, then you're free to invest your time and energy into leveling up. after that, you might realize you don't really want to date men, so you become 4B. but the other possibility is you still want to date men, but he has to be HV, and now you've leveled up, it'll be easier to find one. so you don't become 4B. that's why i say it's the next step, but not for everyone.

Let's see, the 4 things in 4B are

• no dating

• no sex

• no marriage

• no children

I'm not yet determined to fully close the door on that entire list, I guess that's the only difference between me and 4B women.

If we're making a Venn diagram, there would be a lot of overlap 😄

I'm at more of a "life is good even if none of those things enter my life" sort of place.

I respect and applaud 4B. It's overturning the assumption that women absolutely have to do that whole list. Overturning that assumption takes a lot of pressure off all women.

If anyone assumes I'm part of the 4B movement because those 4 things are not currently part of my life, I have no problem with that. I would be proud to stand with those women.

A while back, I have heard others at FDS express that they think this "female separatism" sort of thing is a dead end and will die out. I respectfully disagree. Ideas aren't passed through genes. All those 4B women have mothers that weren't part of any female separatism movement. If an idea is worth anything, it will spread without being drilled into people from birth.

I’m pretty supportive of 4B because I think it’s happening in places where men have become so toxic that it really makes a lot of sense for women to leave the table. I really hope we’re not there in the US, but I agree with other commenters that men are getting angrier (I think as much as OLD can equate women to a commodity/convenience in their eyes, their fragile egos can no longer ignore the fact that they get rejected far more often than not).

However, does anyone worry that the smartest women are opting out of the gene pool by not having kids? The places where women have the fewest rights tend to have the highest birth rates, so are we dooming ourselves by shrinking our population? I know ideas don’t spread through genes, but socialization starts with parents…

I have these conversations with single girlfriends about eventually giving up on men and raising children together instead - I have to imagine that there’s more options for single ladies who want kids than the single mom route.

Im into dating men to get stuff out of them until 4b is more popular in the West.

Ultimately, Valerie Stolanas was right, but of we aren't going to fix things quite yet, and it makes life easier, then date them.