FDS is against Liberal Feminism.

It's so nice to know your history there. Thank you for sharing. But I'm a woman. You can check out my Reddit history linked somewhere in these comments.

If you'd like me to post something from that account, just ask. I'd gladly do it, just for you Bagless. 😏

You don't think I'm a man. You're just trying to get under my skin, like a .... ttrroolllllll

I think you hate other men and I think you are a man.

Agreed.

Can we please give it a break with all the US-centric squabbling and infighting here for a bit?

I know the election results are the main topic in the US right now and everyone is emotional, but the world is a lot bigger than this and plenty of FDS members here are not American.

I was trying to swing the conversation a different direction, I'm sorry it didn't work!

Agreed. A lot of us are not Americans nor agree with any of their parties. People here just downvote you if you are not American who questions their politics and selfish interests when they don’t care about the world but themselves. Radical feminists don’t throw women of color or women impacted by genocide and war under the rug for their own selfish interests.

This.

Basic foundations of the types of feminism it supports vs the type it has never supported and has opposed, hardly makes it a "cult." What a stretch.

Either we are helping to open women's eyes more to FDS ideals to protect themselves in dating or in the world in general... or we aren't and this is a general free for all.

You can do these things. I cannot do them. I understand your stance. You can be degrading while claiming that I was degrading in my post and also claiming that I should not be. I get your stance very clearly. You have the conflict with something related to the idea that liberal feminism does not foundationally align with us, or you have the conflict with me. That is your problem and seems to be an inner conflict, honestly.

You pulled one post in a sea of posts and questioned why I didn't respond to something I never saw. It is a bad argument and a weak point, why would I waste the time to entertain something like that when the evidence is overwhelming that FDS was clearly against it??? It was a ridiculous question. If it hurts to hear that it was weak, I'm sorry for that??? But showcasing that your points lack substantial support in relation to our topic is not a personal attack.

Like you, I also stand by my ideals and am especially against the dangerous foundations of liberal feminism, proven by a long history on FDS's posts.

Sorry you felt it was rude to give a full explanation and see emojis as immature. And yes, I would bet my whole ass they were brigaded as it happened often from the trans community. Again, you're missing the point. Intentionally.

Following me around in comments and posts also escalates tension and is not constructive. Dictating others' tones in here while showcasing similar or worse tones yourself is hypocritical, not constructive, and is actually troll behavior at this point. Tone ultimately comes down to word choice, so calling another member "delusional" is a degrading tone. I have zero negative words directly calling members here anything degrading in my post. Zero.

If it struck a nerve, that also is not my problem and directing people back to actual FDS ideals is not comparable to whatever you are talking about and, again, if you don't like it.. you can always move on to other comments and posts.

Or I guess you could keep wasting your own time following me around with weak points and bad evidence. That's not me working to get an emotional rise or something out of you, they are quite literally very weak points.

Your heart is in the right place, we are both against liberal feminism, but you don't want to see any commonalities for some reason and that just is really not my problem to fix for you.

I found at least two great reads for you, shewhowrites. Both written by original mods from FDS. Lilith was on the earliest podcasts until she got married.

FDS has absolutely always been anti liberal feminism. You're wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/s/g11XdXfAjl

https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/s/NRhlni6cbO

It literally will take 20 minutes of your day to access the goldmine there about all of this and the history of why FDS always firmly stood against it, including reading added comments and listed links.

It was always opposed to it. Not just "let it be, liberal feminist ideals are welcome here..." Actively opposed. Any of the listed posts or comments answer the "why." But quite simply, it is because it is dangerous for women.

FDS never accepted it. I know we talk lot on here about TRP, but one thing we are failing to notice, in a massive way, is that the originally rotten males that exist and their bullshit ideas on how to treat women, have since been rapidly perpetuated by liberal feminism, which fully includes men and men posing as women, which then went mainstream and acceptable and cool girl and made it 1000% harder for US, FDS-aligned women, to ever find a good man.

We are outnumbered by men, pickmes, and trans men claiming they are women. Why? A part of the answer is because pickmes buying into liberal feminism have made themselves even more accessible to men and are fully willing to go 50/50, get duped into polyamory, on and on. And unfortunately the Democrat party DID absolutely take that movement under their wing, claim it, and continued to perpetuate it. I'm sorry because I think this is the spot that is pissing most women off in here, and part of me actually understands that because I know that waking up is painful. But just because you all are angry about it, that doesn't make it less true.

Liberal feminism only benefits men. If women are giving men 50/50, polyamory, and really thinking they are empowered rather than rebuking all of this, why would men give that up? Just a quick answer, they won't. So yes, I'll hold manlet shitheads accountable, but I also hold liberal feminists accountable whether they are women or not.

So for the betterment of all women and in the hopes that the tragic landscape with how males are acting these days could possibly improve, ever... rebuking liberal feminism and all of its ideals are only to women's benefit and FDS is max female benefit. Why was it originally max female benefit? Because men operate in max male benefit, so it is the only way to play, to get anywhere, to get the life you want, and to hopefully eventually get ahead as a whole as women.

We cannot do that if we buy into liberal feminism. It is that simple.

Look, I can't make all the connections for any of you. You're going to have to deep dive yourself.

The good news is you won't see me on this forum again. No way would I stick around women claiming liberal feminism is fine, claiming I'm making up stories about some asshat mentioning a serial killer while I'm alone with him on a trail.

What happened to posters like SayNad? I used to read her posts on here all the time. At first I was thinking I must have outgrown FDS, but no.... it's morphed so far off track and has become so mob mentality it is freaky.

A lot of the posts and comments in here would have been handed a swift "read the handbook" and would have no responses. Shitty posts would have been deleted and users banned. Stupid or uninformed questions went to a side sub on there as "AskFDS" so they didn't litter the main forum. Degrading women for understanding society is inherently physically dangerous for us would have absolutely been banned and swiftly. Sex work is work" removed and more than likely banned. "Male friends are great" at least removed and more than likely banned. Multiple pickme comments where you clearly show you didn't read or refuse to understand the handbook? Absolutely banned.

It really is not "choose your adventure." It is, "Are you here for max female benefit or not? The concepts in the handbook are max female benefit...do you know them or not?"

What you guys are doing in here is dangrous as fuck and it kind of makes me sad because I think FDS was better than 4B. Nobody needs to shave their heads or meltdown. You don't have to worry about giving males anything until they deserve it because that was already ingrained in FDS. So what is the point of adopting a different movement??? It was all we needed for any real advancement. Maybe this place just needs mods, and I've seen a few posts where women ask the same... where are they? But it's dead. They've never really been on the forum. And most recent posters that I've seen don't even know what it is.

So that's it. It's dead. You have all the free reign in the world to post want you want, attack who you want, believe what you want, and pick and choose FDS concepts as you want.

It's become any other forum on the internet with zero standards.

This is why not having a scrotation does not work in our favor, Ansa. If you're going to date, sifting through MANY men and a scrotation of what you think are HVM is your best bet and will benefit you the most and will actually lead to you finding a HVM much more quickly. But your immediate vetting skills and boundaries need to be top notch in order for this to work.

Here ya go. This is my Reddit account https://www.reddit.com/u/elainejay82/s/7OA6j6iULR

You call a post pointing out what FDS actually is a rage post?

I just finished grad school and was excited to get back into dating after taking years off. Really surprised at what "FDS" has become. We never alined with, sided with, liked, or supported Liberal Feminism. In fact, FDS was vehemently opposed.

Sorry if that enrages you, but it is true.

Women die at alarming rates every day in this country (yes, America) at the hands of men. I agree that it will usually moreso be a man you know, but yes. Dudes still kill randoms.

He said Ted Bundy. Not me. I guess you'll have to ask the scrote about his "originality."

I touched on femicide on another comment. Second, where I'm originally from (not USA), the rate is one women gets "deleted" by a partner or former partner every three days. Not by random men. Not by serial killers. By their partners or ex partners.

Look at how long I've been on these forums. You won't convince me of whatever view you have so easily.

Then don't be convinced and keep proudly supporting things like Sex Work.

Serial killers are still a very real thing here, but again, the scrote said it. Not me. They were also a very real thing in Australia when I lived there for a couple of years.

I already agreed with you it will usually be men closer to you. I've already mentioned in my comments that it will be at the hands of exes or partners. I'm not really sure what you're arguing.

I'll just post some screenshots in the post, but the list is endless.

It's updated.

I don’t need to read anything because I was there when it all happened. Why don’t you share what those posts were actually about? They definitely weren’t about supporting Trump or attacking other women for being Democrats. Posts like yours would have been heavily downvoted. Either you know this and are trolling, or you’re unaware. Go ahead and find a single popular post from FDS supporting what you’re claiming—I’ll wait.

3 pages of posts are shown in the screenshots in my initial post. But there are more. If you don't want to search it yourself, that's not my problem. The original Podcasts all cosistently talk about it as well.

If you take it as a personal attack to point out liberal feminism doesn't align and has never aligned with FDS standards, I'm sorry you feel that way. But encouraging women to find their strength at this time instead of consistently feigning helplessnes and scarcity mindset, is just not a bad thing. Sorry you don't like that.

That is great for you. I've taught writing for over 15 years, but this place is not "my job." 🤷🏼‍♀️

You just don't like what I wrote so you're circumventing the point and trying to police my writing, like others in here tried to hypocritically police my "tone."

It doesn't change that the main point of what I wrote is 100% accurate. FDS is anti liberal feminism and always has been.

I won't be deleting it.