Anytime I see a young woman with children, I feel sad.

As a childfree woman myself, I can pick up what you're putting down here. Even though a lot of couples/woman can be enriched by children, I've seen too many opposite situations where a woman ends up becoming a shadow living within herself though having children, especially since so many men are coddled/socialized into doing sweet fuck all.

I think the exact same thing too. Breaks my heart to think about just how much female potential has been wasted like this over the centuries, and how much poorer the world is for it.

I'm the same way. I'm in my mid twenties and when I see a woman my age or younger than me with kids, I just sigh. I live in a lower income area, so I see a lot of young mothers pushing strollers, with no man in sight. Most of them look tired as hell and they're usually yelling at their kids, if they're even paying attention to the child at all. At my school, most of the women there are single moms and the stories they tell about their scrote baby daddies just makes my head explode. Yet they tell it with a smile and will happily announce when they're pregnant again by the same bum who wasn't even taking care of the first one...

I was already child free but seeing all that, makes me wonder why so many women are so desperate to choose that life.

Especially if the man does nothing, which happens in most cases.

I like children and I am not opposed to them having children at all.

The thing that makes me sad is that so many of these young women put themselves into a position of lifelong financial dependence on men by having children before even finishing their education, building their own career and income streams and so on.

How many young women drop out of school, university, an apprenticeship or during the first steps of their career because they get pregnant and then never go back while the fathers' lifes and careers remain virtually unchanged and they don't even marry them or contribute to chores and childcare equally?

The single biggest financial risk for women that impacts their whole life is becoming a broke man's baby mama. And yet so many women still walk into that trap. A rich husband as the father of you child will at least guarantee you alimony and child support payments for a while but the damage to your own, personal earning potential is still immeasurable. You are signing up for lifelong poverty and dependence on shitty scrotes that way. Do not have children before you have built your career and are financially secure by yourself.

i feel the same way. but i know i'm mostly projecting. i've never wanted to be a mother. it's something i dread. so i project this fear onto other women. i have a friend who's a single mother. she wasn't that young when se got pregnant, but i learned from herself that it was actually her dream to be a mother and she is quite fulfilled. that made me realize i should not assume other women feel the same way i do. and looking at the bright side, when these young women get to their 40s, they'll still be quite youthful to live their dreams. you can shoose to be hopeful for them instead of feeling sad and angry by their situation. the mother of this very friend i just mentioned is in her 50s (which means she had her two daughters in her 20s) is full of energy, even more than her daughters hahaha! i'm friends with both mother and daughter.

Having children even when the stars align is risky because layoffs happen, emergencies happen. It’s a long haul raising kids and so much is out of our control that it can start out fine and go bad real fast. Been there, done that, retired with all the scars. If I could have a do-over, I would not have kids no matter how much I love them. Why? Scrotes largely determine our living conditions. Will they hire us, how much will they pay? And so on.

I am in my 40s. At the end of last year I got a beautiful Golden Retriever puppy. I live in a popular party destination. My dog loves people so our routine at night became walking him by clubs so he could meet people. I can’t tell you how many, young, beautiful women have ditched scrotes to come running up to us to meet my dog. Some run out of restaurants. One ran up a row in a parking lot of a mall this week. I always have some variation of the thoughts you have - you are out with a man but so desperate for love and affection you are willing to come up to me even though you are quite dressed up and his fur gets everywhere. Ladies, a random encounter with a(I will say beautiful) dog is making your night better than your date. I wish they would think about this.

For me it's more like, every pregnancy and birth story I hear just further solidifies my decision to never have kids. Even when it's a “good” story, it absolutely horrifies me. I feel I'd be fine once the kid is around 2 years old, but the whole ordeal until that just doesn't seem worth it to me.

I'm so glad to be childless.

Same! I was just going to make a post about this but I was like "nah I wait for someone else to do it".

I literally meet my customers with kids and they're screaming, messing up the appointment, the mother is picking out the product AND coddling the screaming child at the same time...and the husbands just on his phone like "yeah yeah I don't care what you pick" with a smile on his face. Meanwhile their kids are trying to play with me and engage with me and they're both laughing like I'm some kind of "maternal creature" like no lol sir take your child to a room so your wife make a $20k decision please.

It's not even the marriage part either, I see married couples with houses and the Womans a housewife, despite having everything the wife just looks miserable, food all over the counter, smelly house, constantly prepping food for two people at different times of the day and developing eating disorders because of it. Constantly cleaning sticky biohazards off of surfaces (spit + pee) and losing sleep. You can watch how the mother looks exhausted and sorry for even existing and the man is just happy and it makes me want to rip them apart and send the husband off to an island so she can find peace. Even being coupled is exhausting because the husband is just a second child that needs sex (gross).

Even when parents say "My kids enriched my life" they're usually middle class enough to hide the stress of it all and lie effectively. I don't care what a parent says, you can look at their home, the processed food they eat, their poor health and stress levels, both of the parents slowly become obese because they're too stressed to care about neurological processing, quality of life and longevity.

Childfree guys on reddit are the worst too because they see a child as "a woman's fault" or "a woman's doing" and they accuse us of trying to baby trap but also condom make peepee feel weird and they make it your problem, not to mention their rapey tendencies to begin with lol it's like nah I'm good.

I get what you mean. I'm also wondering how the hell they're getting by financially in this economy? I only have the hope that once their children are grown up, they could then maybe find the freedom to discover themselves and seek the mental and possibly educational development they missed out on. Like when they have children in their early 20s, they're in their late 30s to early/mid 40s when their children are grown up. Which would still be plenty of time left for themselves. But then again, a lot of them are stuck in their ways until then, because that's all they've known throughout their life :/

I'm good with children and I genuinely like them, but in this day and age I wouldn't be really bummed out if I don't get to have kids either. It's not only the financial stress, but also the question of who looks after the kid when parental leave is over and both my hypothetical future husband and me need to get back to work? In my home country, daycare is expensive af. Another option would be my parents or the parents in law, but who knows if they're still around until then. Would we have jobs that allow to work from home? This is all stuff you need to consider.

Also, it's just exhausting and leaves permanent changes on your body. Then some women also experience the stress of their husbands starting to act weird, not being attracted to her anymore, not participating in their share of childcare as much or not at all (though in that case they've been dealing with a scrote the whole time, it's not the baby's fault). I've read so many horror stories of women's husbands showing their true colors once they have a baby.

And then people have the audacity to pity women who are unmarried and childfree lol.

I feel this way when I see a woman with a child period.

Too many women are brainwashed into believing motherhood should be a life goal. I think childbirth is disgusting, traumatic, and abusive to women. Also, I despise children in general.

For reference: I am in my late 30s and have been adamantly child-free since age 5.

Having children would probably infinitely more fulfilling for many women and less of a damper on their potential if they had the proverbial village to raise the child with, and no more than 2 of them. A single mother is not a woman with no man, it's a woman without the help of her sisters.

This topic is worth exploring more. Why has the media made women so terrified of childbirth? Shouldn't we embace childbirth and all it represents? Why are women so afraid, down there? Is it because medical malpractice is at an all-time high? Do medical schools need to be reformed? Are there new cultural norms being brought in by illegal immigrants that we need to address? What is going on?

Many leveled up women have children and I think, more power to them, because they are raising the next generation with so much more knowledge and capability.