We appear to be on the same page when thinking about toxic masculinity, but I feel like society does coddle men when they try to say the world PUSHES men to do this stuff…
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Unknown member
May 29, 2022
Aww poor poor men 😒 he's trying so hard to make it sound as if they are victims of patriarchy somehow."They are being pushed by something"Yeah it's called entitlment.I thought men were suppose to be the logical gender? He's saying that the logical, stronger gender is easy to be pushed by an outside force to commit violence & kill 🤣He's also trying to avoid taking accountability by saying "the poor men are being pushed by something" instead of admitting that men and their entitlment is the problem.If there's someone who gets to be pushed by something to kill, it should be WOMEN...Just think about it,Women have all the right in the world to be the angry and bitter ones... the oppression of women that went for centuries and is STILL continues till this day earned our anger...we should be the ones snapping and going around killing others, not to mention since we are the "eMotiONnAL" gender, it should make sense for us to do those things, yet we don't..how many women are serial killers? How many women commit mass shootings, wars, Honor crimes, acid attacks, or revenge porn on men??? Men brought that shit upon themselves, they can never be a victim in a system THEY created and maintained. He reminds me of those feminists who try to include men in feminism by saying "men don't get to express their emotions or cry"It's a byproduct of their own creation in their own patriarchal system, and they have the power to change it if they want to, but they don't...thus people gotta stop trying to make it seem as if it's hard on men too
@JayQualin I hate how including males in feminism these days is sort of becoming mainstream, especially by deranged libfems who can never exclude poor little men from the violence and oppression faced by WOMEN. Nothing on this pathetic patriarchal godforsaken planet can remain only for women.
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Jun 01, 2022
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They feel the need to include men as a way to convince men that feminism is valuablePickme: "see feminism is great cause it benefits men too, so pleaeeese don't think anything less of it"Feminism should only be about women's issues, and women's issues only..heck it's in the name: FEMinisim...FEM...FEMme...FEMale.And there's no shame in women strating to reclaim it as such! We don't owe men a justification. They don't have to feel like it benefits them, for them to like it...and it shouldn't have to be about men too for it be valuable.Feminism should be unapologetically female-centered. And women need to stop this tendency of trying to save, support and nurture everyone or every minority group's issue! Women are not the martyrs of the world.
I understand your perspective, but I don’t mind it as a bi woman personally. I’m supportive of the LGBTQ+ community minus them wanting to include kink. That’s the only thing I’m not supportive towards them for as of right now
I’m with you, sis. It’s unfair to the LGB community and it’s unfair to the T I community, who have very little in common, yet are categorized to share resources, advocacy and social justice. I agree that those communities are in need, but their needs are quite different.
Ew men like this go to the extreme with victimisation and completely lack accountability. Yeah the patriarchy might result in toxic masculinity, but men have to also acknowledge that they’ve consequently caused so much damage and trauma to others and they have a responsibility to make it right. Quite frankly, I do not give a sh*t that society has made men like this, boohoo that’s their problem not mine.This is just an excuse to acknowledge some sort of problem in society yet not do anything about it.
Men want to be strong but they don’t want women to want them to be strong.
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May 30, 2022
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They also want to be strong but they don't want to take accountability or responsibility for their strengths...they want the perks of being the big strong alpha, but don't want to protect, provide or help women with anything.
He doesn't think XY is prone to violence? 🤡In ALL major primate taxa, and MOST mammals and fowl, aggression is used by dominant males to herd females and keep them away from other males.Baboons are known to bite females necks and constantly threaten them if they move too far from the troupe. Chimps hit, slap, kick, charge, pound, drag and even hit female with branches. Orangutans aggress on women in 90 percent of copulation attempts, even when the female is passive! It is COMMON for male primates to use violence to train females to be afraid of them and thus be more likely to surrender to sexual advances.Even insect males like water striders use aggression. The females have shields over their genitals so the men will trap them, then tap the water to attract predatory fish. The woman gets scared and either gets aten by the fish, or quickly has to expose her genitals and give the guy sex so he lets her go. Male garter snakes line their bodies up to the females' and produce caudocephalic waves, which create muscle contractions that stress the female so her air sacs and genitals open in an attempt to breathe, then as she is stunned he rapes her.Male beetles evolved spines on their genitalia that they use to pin women with. These also injure the females, which make them less likely to remate, so she bears only his offspring. The water versions will hold females under water as they rape them to keep them from escaping!Male flies have fly modifications on their forelegs to help them grasp onto female wing bases, so women can't throw them off. Male waterfowl have no external genitalia. They mate by balancing on top of the females, this has made forceful reproduction difficult, so they evolved a cork screw penis which locks onto women so females can't toss them off their backs. Dogs, wolves, pigs, etc have similar locking mechanisms. This allows the males to copulate for as long as they need to until they are finished, and the female can't run off. Newt makes capture females by grabbing them by their pectoral regions, and forcing copulation on them. Male guppies routinely rape females,Boars maneuver their pelvis to cause paralysis in females. Then the male can then freely copulate without worrying about her escaping. It is very common for males to commit infanticide to mate with females. This happens often in monkeys, apes, prosimians, and baboons. When an outside male aggressively takes over and becomes the new alpha - he kills off all of the young offspring from the former alpha. The males kill infants that are not their own to assert their strength and position, and push the females back into mating. Sometimes, multiple males will invade a troop and gang up on females, killing their offspring, so they are no longer breast feeding, thus fertile, and grieving for lost children so they accept sex to get babies. Mate guarding is a big strategy, scientists suspect it may be responsible for creating possessive, jealous and stalking behavior in human men. Men treating women like shit ensures that we are less likely to mate with other men. This can explain why males routinely shit on women who reject them - that "if I can't have her, no one will" is a mate guarding strategy, not just narcissistic injury.
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Jun 04, 2022
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Well infanticide is also "natural", letting men die when they fail to protect the troupe is also "natural", so is cannibalism.... Nature isn't moral. It seems to me that Morality is a cultural construct - agreed upon rules of conduct that members of a society create in order to increase their chance of survival.Theft is wrong because you don't want to be stolen from.But theft becomes right when one person hogs everything - the apex being the groups survival.... Morality is relative to that, it seemsThanks for reading my rant!
This is why I get so frustrated every time I see people blame "socialization" for men being the way they are. And we can "fix it by (women, obviously) socializing boys better". We cannot. This is in their genes.
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Jun 04, 2022
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@Stellata I agree. I was a socialist feminist for many years, believing men were messed up because of socialization. But as I read about the natural world and male behavior of diverse species, it struck me: males have a biological imperative to be rather shitty. I think we women may benefit from acknowledging this reality and trying to design cultural constructs to channel this imperative into more beneficial means. In the natural world the human male can get out some of his aggression via hunting and protecting. In the age of sedentary life style and boring button pushing work - males may be turning to abusing women more than they otherwise would to satiate their boredom and serve as a means to exercise their hormonal cruel urges. Voluntary sports, military service, and video games doesn't seem to be cutting it.
Aww poor poor men 😒 he's trying so hard to make it sound as if they are victims of patriarchy somehow. "They are being pushed by something" Yeah it's called entitlment. I thought men were suppose to be the logical gender? He's saying that the logical, stronger gender is easy to be pushed by an outside force to commit violence & kill 🤣 He's also trying to avoid taking accountability by saying "the poor men are being pushed by something" instead of admitting that men and their entitlment is the problem. If there's someone who gets to be pushed by something to kill, it should be WOMEN... Just think about it, Women have all the right in the world to be the angry and bitter ones... the oppression of women that went for centuries and is STILL continues till this day earned our anger...we should be the ones snapping and going around killing others, not to mention since we are the "eMotiONnAL" gender, it should make sense for us to do those things, yet we don't..how many women are serial killers? How many women commit mass shootings, wars, Honor crimes, acid attacks, or revenge porn on men??? Men brought that shit upon themselves, they can never be a victim in a system THEY created and maintained. He reminds me of those feminists who try to include men in feminism by saying "men don't get to express their emotions or cry" It's a byproduct of their own creation in their own patriarchal system, and they have the power to change it if they want to, but they don't...thus people gotta stop trying to make it seem as if it's hard on men too
wow my eyes glazed over, block and delete these "woke" bros
I find it pretty cringe. Actions louder than words. I only gain respect for a man when they walk their talk...and they seldom do.
If you get a bad vibe listen to it.
"LGBTQIA+ community" mmm alphabet soup <3 he sounds like he just wanna get some pussy btw. bet my ass he's an asshole
Ew men like this go to the extreme with victimisation and completely lack accountability. Yeah the patriarchy might result in toxic masculinity, but men have to also acknowledge that they’ve consequently caused so much damage and trauma to others and they have a responsibility to make it right. Quite frankly, I do not give a sh*t that society has made men like this, boohoo that’s their problem not mine. This is just an excuse to acknowledge some sort of problem in society yet not do anything about it.
Dude's trying to play the victim card. Blocked.
This is too many words. You either support women and get it or you don't.
This doesn’t sound like an intellectual discussion, just a whingy excuses-filled rant.
Men want to be strong but they don’t want women to want them to be strong.
That's a whole lot of words to essentially say nothing...
Barf
He doesn't think XY is prone to violence? 🤡 In ALL major primate taxa, and MOST mammals and fowl, aggression is used by dominant males to herd females and keep them away from other males. Baboons are known to bite females necks and constantly threaten them if they move too far from the troupe. Chimps hit, slap, kick, charge, pound, drag and even hit female with branches. Orangutans aggress on women in 90 percent of copulation attempts, even when the female is passive! It is COMMON for male primates to use violence to train females to be afraid of them and thus be more likely to surrender to sexual advances. Even insect males like water striders use aggression. The females have shields over their genitals so the men will trap them, then tap the water to attract predatory fish. The woman gets scared and either gets aten by the fish, or quickly has to expose her genitals and give the guy sex so he lets her go. Male garter snakes line their bodies up to the females' and produce caudocephalic waves, which create muscle contractions that stress the female so her air sacs and genitals open in an attempt to breathe, then as she is stunned he rapes her. Male beetles evolved spines on their genitalia that they use to pin women with. These also injure the females, which make them less likely to remate, so she bears only his offspring. The water versions will hold females under water as they rape them to keep them from escaping! Male flies have fly modifications on their forelegs to help them grasp onto female wing bases, so women can't throw them off. Male waterfowl have no external genitalia. They mate by balancing on top of the females, this has made forceful reproduction difficult, so they evolved a cork screw penis which locks onto women so females can't toss them off their backs. Dogs, wolves, pigs, etc have similar locking mechanisms. This allows the males to copulate for as long as they need to until they are finished, and the female can't run off. Newt makes capture females by grabbing them by their pectoral regions, and forcing copulation on them. Male guppies routinely rape females, Boars maneuver their pelvis to cause paralysis in females. Then the male can then freely copulate without worrying about her escaping. It is very common for males to commit infanticide to mate with females. This happens often in monkeys, apes, prosimians, and baboons. When an outside male aggressively takes over and becomes the new alpha - he kills off all of the young offspring from the former alpha. The males kill infants that are not their own to assert their strength and position, and push the females back into mating. Sometimes, multiple males will invade a troop and gang up on females, killing their offspring, so they are no longer breast feeding, thus fertile, and grieving for lost children so they accept sex to get babies. Mate guarding is a big strategy, scientists suspect it may be responsible for creating possessive, jealous and stalking behavior in human men. Men treating women like shit ensures that we are less likely to mate with other men. This can explain why males routinely shit on women who reject them - that "if I can't have her, no one will" is a mate guarding strategy, not just narcissistic injury.