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And do you think there are types of men more likely to want to do this? (Apart from "abusive" lol)
I ask because two of my exes were clearly in retrospect using these techniques on me. The first was doing it very consciously, he worshipped JP and Ben Shapiro and probably watched the OG red pill videos and websites too. I was only 18 so I was totally oblivious and thought he was so amazing and why couldn't I keep his attention?? HAHA. He ended up cheating on me and then coming back and crying and saying "It never happened." He was my first real introduction to gaslighting.
Then the next guy was all sweet and caring and sensitive, he seemed like he was sooo different to the last guy. After a few months he's going full intermittent reinforcement, saying he's so busy and he doesn't have time for me, then coming back around and saying he loves me so much. Eventually he was gaslighting everything I said too. Suddenly revealed after nine months that he watched so much Joe Rogan. I hadn't watched him properly, but I watched him interview JP in front of my ex and he came out with so much trash. I looked at my ex in horror and he was nodding along, like "yeah, he makes some good points."
Okay, so at this point I find FDS and I'm like, OMG, there is some kind of culture war going on against women. These men are all talking to each other and getting these techniques from each other and none of them feel bad about it.
My experience with this started properly in 2015. So I think the red pill was really taking hold by then. But then again, men have always treated women like trash, so is it just the internet that's allowing them all to start sharing ideas and now they all act the same way?
I now see Red Pill rhetoric everywhere. It's so common that people (mainly men) will say it without even really knowing that it's red pill. It's just mainstream. All these typical, irrational, contradictory misogynist attitudes are flowing from men around us and they seem to believe it.
Now, one caveat is that I am a woman in STEM, so maybe it's these nerdy guys that really like the idea of strategising to dominate women and have all the power in relationships.
So, what do you think? Has the red pill mindset overtaken the majority of men? Or just young men? Or nerd guys?
The majority of men straight up. I have a male relative who is 60yrs old and thinks feminism ruined the family unit, because fox news said so. I like to remind him that its actually his fault. He was young and dating during the sexual revolution(liberal feminism. He is literally a liberal feminist. Its men's rights activism, after all). Him and his friends bullied "prude" women into casual sex and also shunned them for partaking in it. He's also against abortion. I like to remind him that he demanded and paid for at least 2 abortions for a woman in his past. He just wants to see women suffer. 🤷 He just huffs and walks away because he knows I'm right, mfer has four kids who don't speak to him for a reason. (Because he abandoned them. He's a deadbeat. HE literally ruined his own family unit. And there have been billions of men just like him doing the exact same things ever since the 70's)
Men of all political, economic, religious and geographic backgrounds are being flooded with this messaging everywhere. Its in shows, the news, billions of youtube videos, porn and vidja games. It doesn't help that they are taught to be solipsistic NPCs from birth, and then flooded with this hypocritical, damned if you do damned if you don't, psychobabble messaging.
Don't forget that the left has it's own Ben Shapiro's etc- they just market themselves as comedians. John Stewart's comeback has just solidified my thinking that most of the comic political hosts are absolutely not pro-woman at all and never were. Any fast, charismatic talker is probably gonna be spreading redpiller techniques if not theory- bc they're so effective in getting audience engagement even if the skills in practice don't usually work.
At this point I'm pretty sure all of them have heard of it. What percentage are using all or some of it i don't know. But if the andrew tate / "return to masculinity" trends are any indication, these clowns are definitely making it popular.
All of the men who watch porn are using “Red Pill” techniques against women. That’s where the inhumane attitude towards us begins, and then society just tacks onto this foundation that women aren’t human. Red pill dating is simply emotional abuse tactics for men who hate women and want to punish us.
I’m not sure about Red Pill techniques, but pick-up artist techniques have been mainstream since The Game was published in 2005. Every guy has heard of negging, hot and cold, demonstrating value, disqualification, etc.
90%, is my guess, consciously or unconsciously (because it is so widespread in our culture now)
In millions and millions
A lot of the talking points and lingo used by the manosphere has left the online areas and shifted to IRL conversations too. I told a friend I noticed this around 2019 when I found myself back in the dating world. I was called a "foid" during a date from OLD. Incel and manosphere rhetoric have permeated our culture heavily. I complained to my then friends (at that time) about things from there being mentioned by coworkers, potential dates, and even amongst men in the gym or a party. They told me it was in my head and that stuff is just in online forums not IRL. I'm sure a lot of the notions the manosphere follow were rooted in previous eras*, I remember pick up artistry, Roosh V, the book The Game, and other things being popular in the 00s. We just have more labels for it now. While knowing so many men follow these beliefs on varying degrees, it's important to see the silver lining that this helps us screen and vet easier. Certain ideologies, lingos, and figures these men follow will give you red flags early on.
I cannot tell what percentage and I think we shouldn't even bother with that. It's no more of a question of how much red pill has permeated our zeitgeist. What part of our current culture hasn't been affected by it, that's the thing If we are talking about it, it is here. All the boys having grown up during red pill development are now affected. All the men that spent their youth with red pill propaganda are now walking definitions of it.
I think it's better to focus on stuff that helps us recognize mra abusive tactics and be on autopilot when doing the troubleshooting.
Stuff like Lundy Bancroft's and Don Hennessy's books, and if you had a troubled childhood, it's important to understand and integrate childhood trauma - Jane Woititz's books.
Honestly I would say 80% minimum 😆