I'm starting to think this is why women prefer to pay for themselves on dates.

Ah the old "Schrödingers Douchebag": The woman is either brilliant and charming or an ugly bitch depending on whether or not the date went in his favor.

I literally block as I’m walking to the car. Our problem isn’t thinking we should pay for dinner. Our problem is feeling guilty enough to tell them why they don’t get a second date. Men use cOmMuNiCaTiOn as an opportunity for manipulation.

This is exactly what they say, "if I pay my half he won't feel entitled to sex" The faulty logic is: 1. If a man thinks he's entitled to sex because he paid 50 for a meal, then you shouldn't being going out with him 2. Paying for your own food doesn't make a male feel any less entitled to sex- he will probably just think you're easier 3. Women and males are not treated equally in society. A woman is expected to put so much effort in her life and the lives of others whilst experiencing so much injustice only to be told she must be with a male (as it would determine her value) despite the fact that the majority of men are negative at best (take away from a woman's life). Him paying 50 bucks to wine and dine you when he lives in a world that gave him a head start because he has a dick between his legs is the bare minimum. Males need women- women are happier single and childless. 4. It's a basic vetting strat. If he can't pay for your meal and wants something low effort- he just sets the tone for the relationship. You will be doing 50/50 financially, 80/20 in domestic care and 100/0 in childcare before you know it. At Least she got a "free" meal out of it, too bad her time was wasted by a negative value scrote.

She should ask him if the meal wasn’t free then what was the “payment “? Then act massively PISSED that he thought you were a prostitute and tell him goodbye.

I swear men change up SOOOO fucking fast. I’ve seen this happen so much on FDS posts. It’s always: “You’re so beautiful. You’re my dream woman and so intelligent. You’re so dazzling, my queen🧎‍♀️🧎‍♀️ 🧎‍♀️.” Once the woman rejects, then it’s always: “You’re such a fucking ugly cow. Nobody would want to date you anyway. Go d!e alone 🤡🤡🤡.” These men really tell on themselves and they can’t handle rejection. It’s such a turn-off

Stupid man. She should have told him that the paltry sum he spent on dinner wouldn't have even bought a sniff of her panties if she was selling. The nerve of these men.

I am really tired of this argument about "owing" something to a man because he paid for you. I paid for my friends' meals or bought them random gifts countless times just because I felt like doing something nice and special for them. I didn't expect anything in return, because it's a TREAT. Didn't know they owed me so much sex, silly me.

Edit: grammar.

That’s why we should text and block right away

I don't mean this is a mean way, but I don't think posts like this add much value to the FDS community. Let's avoid posting screenshots of typical LVM behavior. It's not very helpful to HVW trying to date HVMs. It brings down the "level up" vibe to this female only space to dwell on typical bad behaviors of LVM.

Ugh this piece of shit.

I’ve only ever paid for dinner (whole bill) once to remove myself asap from the situation. It was a discreet exit. Some people do this as a safety precaution.

It's always "she used me" and never "I never impress women enough to go on a second date because I'm an entitled, creepy, worthless scrote".

Arguing who pays is all I see everywhere on the internet. It’s all over social media, YouTube, podcasts, redd1t… everywhere all the time. This topic gets more engagement on this forum than anything else.

I want an anthropologist to study this argument as a modern phenomena and explain to me why both men and women get so worked up over who pays. Is it a sign of the times? Men are more and more being forced into switching gender roles with women as we succeed more and they fail more at adulting. I think men refusing to pay for dates is their pathetic pushback. What these men fail to realize is that we were in our impoverished domestic roles for millennia by force (by men) whereas they have put themselves in their current position by sucking. They’re doing it to themselves and taking it out on women instead of admitting they have reached peak entitlement and uselessness simultaneously.

If men keep up with their pathetic pushback, women are simply going to stop agreeing to traditional dating. We’ll turn dating into a job interview where all the candidates line up and the rejects go home and the maybes get further interviews. F*ck it all.

Mask off whenever their egos get even slightly bruised.

And there it is right there. Dinner and flowers or any other gift would overwhelm me and I would feel really uncomfortable. Its too much, especially if the date is from OLD, ergo somebody you barely knew, someone who you dont know If the chemistry translates into real live.

I would feel lovebombed

What the actual f*ck? Yeah just block and delete. Don't engage and give him a reason to say shit

If you pay, he'll still expect sex while laughing that he saved money on you.

Paying for yourself doesn't stop a man from expecting sex. He will try to fuck you whether you pay or not, so he should pay.

Ah, look how fast he turned. It’s almost funny. Almost. SMH

Pre-FDS me used to have anxiety about this. Post-FDS me understands that a man paying for dinner and buying me flowers does NOT Equal consent. I bet there is not a single woman alive who could fathom paying for dinner and then using it as way to coerce a man into sex or a relationship. How horrific and depraved. He told on himself. A date is to get to know one another. Nothing is guaranteed. He should not date if he can't afford to. He can pay $300 for an escort if that's what he wants. But he's broke so he's hoping to turn some innocent unsuspecting woman into a $100 prostitute. I've been on dates with men in the past who spent between $500-2k on a single date night, and bought me flowers. Yet they didn't expect anything in return. They were glad of my company. I only date wealthy men though because they rarely pull shit like this broke intolerable scrote. I bet he doesn't expect sex from his bros when he pays for them. He can't be kind or take a woman to dinner for the sake of being a kind gentleman. As with all scrotes, it's all about manipulating women to use their bodies and make them feel obligated. This kind of entitlement is absolutely terrifying. If the script was flipped I genuinely cannot imagine treating a man like this. Or anyone at all.