Generally, single women live longer, healthier and happier than *most* married women. This is for a multitude of reasons; less stress, smaller workload, more free time & independence, most relationships being mediocre, etc. However, people in happy marriages do have greater longevity and satisfaction in life than most singles. The point of FDS, in addition to levelling up and becoming a confident high value woman who's happy with being single, is to find and thoroughly vet a good man who's compatible with you and with whom you can forge an authentic and fulfilling marriage if that's something that would bring meaning to your life. It's called Female Dating Strategy and not Female Single Strategy for this reason. However if you think the WGTOW lifestyle would appeal to you, r/WGTOW and Ovarit have great resources and support for women who are single by choice.
But they're on reddit though. The thing about FDS is that it has more wiggle room (especially now that mods don't need walk on eggshells around reddit), my memory is hazy buuuuuuuut. I recall them having a heavy stance on dating to not get banned?? It was a post made by a mod, something about pure feminist subs getting banned... But then the level up strategy seemed perfectly untouched, speaking of which did they make a site out of that too or did FDS merge with it?
I understand this question is probably just out of curiosity, but I don't think "who lives longer" counts as something because it's only 1.5-2 years top and this can be affected by so many things. (Like it changes from country to country) I think life quality is way more important than who gets to live longer, or what would fulfill me as a woman. I agree with the post that says "I don't see a married woman that I'd want her life", I know a lot of married woman and some of them may be happy but I wouldn't see myself being happy if I were in their shoes.
I only ever heard of the one that said single women live longer than married women.
Makes sense - the married women who are murdered by their husbands is going to drag that average lifespan down.
That's not even considering any of the many, many other factors that would shorten the average married woman's lifespan.
Maybe what confuses things for OP is the study saying married men live longer than single men?
A thing can be good for men but terrible for women. That's not a contradiction.
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May 16, 2022
As a formally married woman, I will give my own stats lol. W women must live longer, because being a wife and mom in a household where you’re basically the man of the house and your husband is a third child is enough to drive any woman to an early grave.
I don't know about lifespan but I've heard that there's research that unmarried (never married) women are the happiest. So, even if a life is not longer but happier it's good enough for me if I won't meet my HVM and will live forever alone. Either be happy on my own or with a great man. Both are fine with me.
I think the most famous study proclaiming that was by Paul Dolan. However his assertion that married women aren’t happy has been debunked as it’s been shown he misinterpreted the data:https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happinessMost research on happiness is low quality data with an inherent selection bias. But basically unmarried women and married women have equivalent levels of happiness:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-philosophers-diaries/202105/is-getting-married-bad-deal-women?amp
In the US, married women have lower death rates than single women. Not only that, when married women become widows their death rates are the highest of all the female marital categories: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htmI don’t know what the data is like for other countries. And obviously a bad marriage isn’t healthy and should be avoided. And married men did derive a greater benefit in death rate than any other group. Although from 2010-2017 the death rate for both married men and women declined at the same rate.
That's interesting, it might be the "contradicting" study Sweetpea is talking about?
Those stats aren't about who lives longer, though. It's talking about "this many people over the age of 25 in these marital categories died between 2010 and 2017."
No specific ages except over 25. Could be anyone aged 25 to over 100.
Of course the rate of women who are married at the time of death is low. Wives tend to outlive husbands. Or their husbands divorce them while they're on their deathbed. So women who get married are most likely to be widowed or divorced at time of death.
If we add the "married", "widowed" and "divorced" stats together, women who married have almost a 3x higher death rate than the women who never married.
But maybe 3x more women get married in the first place, so it follows that the death rate would also be 3x more.
You’re BADLY misinterpreting how population health statistics work. And your 3rd to last paragraph demonstrates low statistical education. You don’t add columns blindly when you’re discussing rates. You compare the rates in the columns. If you want to lump divorced and widowed women into the married field you’d have to add the numerator AND the denominator then recalculate the rate. I have an advanced degree in this field. The data is per 100k standard US population. The death rate is essentially a mortality rate and the CDC simply reports age adjusted data. It’s also inherently obvious that mortality rate and longevity are correlated. That said, study after study over the last 70 years have shown that in the US, married women live longer than never married women. These include systematic metas. I make no assertions about what the data in other parts of the world could show. It could be the opposite in Europe or Asia or Africa. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7452000/#sec1titleWhy do married women in the US live longer? It’s probably multifactorial. Access to health insurance. The ability to age at home as opposed to an institution. Not to mention that health is correlated with poverty. In the US, married women are less likely to earn minimum wage, less likely to be unemployed, and less likely to be in poverty compared to unmarried women. https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/population-profiles/marital-status-poverty.htmlhttps://www.wvwvaf.org/what-we-do/awareness/unmarried-women-wage-gap/Simply saying marriage doesn’t benefit women (in the US) doesn’t make it true. The data suggests otherwise.
@cfib07 I should definitely have put a disclaimer that I'm not a statistician by any stretch.
That was just a scattered attempt to puzzle out what I'm even looking at.
I see what you're saying now about not just adding stuff together.
This is what happens when I try to math. 🤣
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May 16, 2022
Please provide links to academic or scientific peer reviewed studies.
I would be very surprised to hear that married women live longer -- even those in the fraction of marriages that are happy.
I would characterize one of my marriages as happy and have familiar knowledge of other seemingly happy marriages of a few close friends and a couple of relations.
In every instance as the partners aged, the women were far more focused on their husband's and children's health issues than their own.
Looking back on my reasoning at that time, I believed that as a woman I could just keep going, pushing past any symptoms, whereas my older husband could drop dead of heart attack or stroke any minute.
Women also frequently get saddled with being caretaker of their husband's parents as well as their own.
My guess is that as with most longevity issues this one is wedded to income -- it would obviously make a difference if you can afford professional careers (presuming you aren't mired in traditional culture expectations that the daughter/ daughter-in-law must do everything herself).
It would also be interesting to know who lives longer comparing homosexual couples to lesbian couples -- I am betting lesbians, but lesbians have children more often.
Legally married, always child-free men would have a lot more liquid wealth.
May I ask why this question is important? We have limited control over getting married/being single. There are just too many variables for a statistic like this to be helpful to anyone. I’m guessing that the people who have great quality of life and live the longest both have high incomes, social support, great healthcare and a purpose in life- but categorizing according to partnership status is a remnant of patriarchal science.
This is such a great point. There are so many variables in life that can affect how long someone lives.
Seriously, what use are these statistics based on relationship status? Are we all supposed to rush off to get married with the idea that it would help us live longer?
It's easier (and less risky) to eat more kale, so I think I'm gonna do that instead, thanks 😆
Generally, single women live longer, healthier and happier than *most* married women. This is for a multitude of reasons; less stress, smaller workload, more free time & independence, most relationships being mediocre, etc. However, people in happy marriages do have greater longevity and satisfaction in life than most singles. The point of FDS, in addition to levelling up and becoming a confident high value woman who's happy with being single, is to find and thoroughly vet a good man who's compatible with you and with whom you can forge an authentic and fulfilling marriage if that's something that would bring meaning to your life. It's called Female Dating Strategy and not Female Single Strategy for this reason. However if you think the WGTOW lifestyle would appeal to you, r/WGTOW and Ovarit have great resources and support for women who are single by choice.
I understand this question is probably just out of curiosity, but I don't think "who lives longer" counts as something because it's only 1.5-2 years top and this can be affected by so many things. (Like it changes from country to country) I think life quality is way more important than who gets to live longer, or what would fulfill me as a woman. I agree with the post that says "I don't see a married woman that I'd want her life", I know a lot of married woman and some of them may be happy but I wouldn't see myself being happy if I were in their shoes.
I only ever heard of the one that said single women live longer than married women.
Makes sense - the married women who are murdered by their husbands is going to drag that average lifespan down.
That's not even considering any of the many, many other factors that would shorten the average married woman's lifespan.
Maybe what confuses things for OP is the study saying married men live longer than single men?
A thing can be good for men but terrible for women. That's not a contradiction.
As a formally married woman, I will give my own stats lol. W women must live longer, because being a wife and mom in a household where you’re basically the man of the house and your husband is a third child is enough to drive any woman to an early grave.
Why don't you share your studies sweet pea
Link?
I don't know about lifespan but I've heard that there's research that unmarried (never married) women are the happiest. So, even if a life is not longer but happier it's good enough for me if I won't meet my HVM and will live forever alone. Either be happy on my own or with a great man. Both are fine with me.
In the US, married women have lower death rates than single women. Not only that, when married women become widows their death rates are the highest of all the female marital categories: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/mortality/mortality_marital_status_10_17.htm I don’t know what the data is like for other countries. And obviously a bad marriage isn’t healthy and should be avoided. And married men did derive a greater benefit in death rate than any other group. Although from 2010-2017 the death rate for both married men and women declined at the same rate.
Please provide links to academic or scientific peer reviewed studies.
I would be very surprised to hear that married women live longer -- even those in the fraction of marriages that are happy.
I would characterize one of my marriages as happy and have familiar knowledge of other seemingly happy marriages of a few close friends and a couple of relations.
In every instance as the partners aged, the women were far more focused on their husband's and children's health issues than their own.
Looking back on my reasoning at that time, I believed that as a woman I could just keep going, pushing past any symptoms, whereas my older husband could drop dead of heart attack or stroke any minute.
Women also frequently get saddled with being caretaker of their husband's parents as well as their own.
My guess is that as with most longevity issues this one is wedded to income -- it would obviously make a difference if you can afford professional careers (presuming you aren't mired in traditional culture expectations that the daughter/ daughter-in-law must do everything herself).
It would also be interesting to know who lives longer comparing homosexual couples to lesbian couples -- I am betting lesbians, but lesbians have children more often.
Legally married, always child-free men would have a lot more liquid wealth.
May I ask why this question is important? We have limited control over getting married/being single. There are just too many variables for a statistic like this to be helpful to anyone. I’m guessing that the people who have great quality of life and live the longest both have high incomes, social support, great healthcare and a purpose in life- but categorizing according to partnership status is a remnant of patriarchal science.