I recently met up with a new friend, we met through another friend. I was excited to get to know her, because she seemed cool and confident. Let's call her Sally.
I found out that Sally called herself a wife without actually being married. Sally and the man she has been dating for 10 years didnt didn't like the term boyfriend and girlfriend because it seemed to immature, and didnt seem to reflect the time they have been together. They are common law, so surely it's the same thing, right?
So essentially they are benefitting from the cultural status of being married without the commitment. He didn't propose, does not believe in marriage, and that's okay with her because, "marriage is too much pressure" but they want the title.
This gives me the same ick as hearing about men giving their girlfriends rings to put on their finger, without marriage. Essentially it's a "brand" of ownership without the commitment on his end.
Can someone articulate why this is giving me so much ick? I am trying to filter out friends and cultivate high value relationships and this screams pick me to me but I don't understand because she seems so confident and fun. I'm not sure if this should be a dealbreaker.
Its icky because its dishonest and living a lie = delusional. Affirming a persons delusions is a cruel thing to do, but unfortunately you are also cruel if you plainly speak the truth. So you're kind of in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. I have a friend who is in a similar situation where her boyfriend is really just a fuck buddy, but they still say I love you and she calls him boyfriend. I am willing to bet my life savings that he does not under any circumstance refer to her as his girlfriend. She is "just a friend".
The FDS handbook advice is "Know what your standards are and stick to them: don't settle for less". Do you really want to sit through dinners where Sally moans about her relationship? I would not be able to hold back my acerbic tongue and advise her to leave.
Unless you are able to compartmentalise this particular friendship and stick to other topics, your gut giving you the "ick". Is a valid sentiment of get out of there.
I only want friends that elevate me, because I am constantly working on myself. And I want my friends to have the same values - they raise me and I want to do the same for them.
I’m personally okay with a forever partner BUT I’m older, already been married twice, and I’d insist on living apart together so no 50/50 or legally binding marriage. It makes sense for people my age who are established and who also want to avoid someone else’s debt, money (mis)management, and all extra cooking, cleaning, caregiving. That said, I prefer the term “partner” rather than bf/gf which does sound immature. I agree with what other people said: it’s icky because it’s simply untrue. They are not legally married and pretending otherwise is delusional. Up to you to cut her/them off or just go low contact and fade slowly.
Duplicity gives the ick! Lies about marriage are disgusting and say everything you need to know about these kind of liars! 🚩 1 - I dumped a friend who mailed elopement announcements straight up lying about where they eloped. I was so disturbed by this, it made no sense. Just lying for the sake of lying. Major ick right there. 2 - My former husband and his newest wife got married (backyard type of ceremony) during COVID-19, after having to cancel in 2020 & reschedule to 2021. He’s a sociopath and decided not to file the marriage certificate as a strategy to avoid a legal marriage. I believe she has no idea. My children stand to inherit his entire estate at this rate, so I’m not saying a damn thing, and for that matter, wouldn’t be believed anyway. 3 - A friend of mine sent out birthday party invitations for their then 1-year-old. They kept asking me for advice on wine and food etc. I told her I was going to go out of town that weekend, but it sounded like a serious party they needed help with, and I offered to help and change my travel dates. They declined. I booked my flight. While on my trip, a different friend texted me a picture of them getting married in their yard at “the baby’s 1st birthday party.” Gave me the ick - why not have just told me so I could be there? I stopped being friends with them, it was weird and I couldn’t trust that.
I think this is a very nuanced situation, I know some women who are happily partnered after a failed marriage and are too afraid to jinx it by getting married again, but their partners are absolutely devoted to them. Then there’s other women who delude themselves into thinking a relationship is more serious than it actually is and they create a narrative of love and commitment and the man is just there for the ride and isn’t as committed as she is.