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Washington Post pickme article saying that incels are allowed to sexually harass you because it's "their identity," it's a cool new trend that those crazy kids are doing nowadays, and women should be pickmes and nervously giggle in response.
A male LGBTQ coworker did this to me in some of the creepiest office banter I've ever experienced.
Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/sex-talk-at-work-fcc8a5c8
Full article:
And Just Like That, Sex Talk Comes to the Office
Younger workers have less sex, but they talk about it at work
July 2, 2023 9:00 pm ET
When Vanessa Van Edwards told a group of workers to ask their colleagues about the most exciting thing they did over the weekend, the communication trainer wanted to spark chitchat and collegial bonding.
She didn’t expect that one co-worker would be treated to details of a colleague’s Saturday-night sexual escapades in response.
Maybe it’s our newly casual attitudes after the pandemic, maybe we’re more determined to be ourselves at work, but some office conversations now include details of sex lives.
Workers accustomed to posting secrets on Instagram and TikTok, or who just have lower personal filters, are dropping risqué emojis in team Slack channels, asking bosses for advice on condoms and detailing the rules they use for “swinging” with other couples, unprompted in the hallway, according to employees and managers I talked to.
Some say sharing about, say, a polyamorous relationship, is less about sex than defining their identity and being fully themselves—whether others want to hear about it or not.
With more Americans single than in past decades, conversations about dating apps and first nights with new partners are happening in the office, says Justin Garcia, executive director of Indiana University’s Kinsey Institute, which studies sexuality. Young people feel especially comfortable sharing, he adds.
“We’re all trying to figure out, where are the lines?” he says.
They’re blurry. At the office, we’re sharing our mental-health issues, fertility struggles, politics and salaries. The only intimate thing left is, well, intimacy.
“Should we be talking about this at the workplace?” one manager in her late 30s told me she thought when a conversation in a meeting turned to birth-control methods. Others said the chatter makes them uneasy about whether a dirty joke or explicit anecdote could tip into sexual harassment.
“I would just rather not know,” says Anthony Zambataro, a marketing consultant who said he was taken aback by a colleague’s talk about their extramarital affair at a prior job.
Freeing and fun
Van Edwards, the communication trainer and author, recommends workers respond with, “Wow, this is a lot,” or “I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear that,” when conversations turn too R-rated for comfort. Keep the tone playful and casual, she advises.
Frank sexual conversations at work, just a few years after the #MeToo movement, give many workers whiplash. Some employees counter that view: Listening to the juicy parts of co-workers’ lives makes workdays more fun, they say, and helps them feel like flesh-and-blood humans, not corporate robots.
“You feel like you have a friend over and you’re having a coffee,” one remote sales professional told me of company online and video chats where colleagues trade spicy memes and, on occasion, share how many times they had sex on vacation.
Some admissions can be freeing, says Jasper Prince, a 27-year-old graphic designer, who is based in Oklahoma and uses the pronouns they and them.
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Prince has told co-workers and bosses they are polyamorous, which flusters some but has elicited support from others.
“I don’t have to think as much about putting on the facade,” Prince says, noting that two bosses have been among the most supportive people in their life.
Prince says they try not to share too many details, but they’ve also seen that talk of sex and relationships just comes up at work sometimes. “It’s such a big part of our lives,” they say.
Less sex, more talk
Members of Generation Z, born from 1995 to 2012, are more open to discussing sex, even if they aren’t having that much of it, says Jean Twenge, a professor of psychology at San Diego State University and author of the recently released “Generations.”
Some 30% of 18- to 25-year-old men and 25% of 18- to 25-year-old women reported they hadn’t had sex in the past year, according to recent data analyzed by Twenge. Rewind to when millennials were the youngest cohort and about 15% said the same, she says.
Gen Zers are comfortable with evolving language around gender and sexuality, she adds, accepting and using labels such as enby, short for nonbinary, and ace, slang for asexual. Growing up in a world where everyone has always had a smartphone video camera in their pocket, they have few expectations of privacy, Twenge says.
In the workplace, she recommends younger workers pause before opening up. Ask yourself, has the person you’re about to share with ever shared anything personal with you?
Risky business
Fair or not, opening up at work has the potential to earn you a reputation as the office oversharer, or even harm your career.
“We infer things about people’s personalities and lives based on what we hear from their relationships,” Garcia, of the Kinsey Institute, says.
Cory Werkheiser, who helps run the career-services program at College of Charleston’s business school, says he counsels students to fashion personal and professional sides of themselves.
“You’re going to have to be careful that the two don’t mix,” he tells them.
Change the topic
During her years in the army, Roxanne Petraeus heard plenty about sex and relationships from her fellow soldiers and officers, mostly men. A well-timed joke or snarky comment would usually snap them out of, say, discussing the finer points of a woman’s anatomy.
“You know what I’d like to talk about—Ryan Reynolds,” the 36-year-old would interject. “It would cause them to realize the absurdity of the situation,” she says.
Now the CEO of Ethena, a maker of compliance-training software, Petraeus has been open with colleagues and LinkedIn followers about everything from her miscarriages to potty-training her son. The idea of talking about sex at work makes her worry about sexual harassment, and cringe.
“I might find some Gen Z stuff,” she says, “a bridge too far.”
Write to Rachel Feintzeig at Rachel.Feintzeig@wsj.com
This is incredibly regressive. Women fought tooth and nail in the 1970s and 80s to get sexual harasssment at work recognised as sexual discrimination. I guess this is a reminder that feminist gains can always be, and often are, gradually dismantled. I hope young working women realise that they can report this shit.
Why do people in the West think sharing everything about themselves is the way to live life? The boundary between public and private is very important for the healthy functioning of any community, especially a professional one. And also, anyone who thinks their sex life is of interest to anyone else is deluded: no-one cares.
Ugh this hits home. I had a former colleague, a gay man in fact, tell me all kinds of unsolicitied stuff about his sex life. In particular, his gloating about how many times he has had chlamydia (wow so impressive). He wouldn't relent even after I expressed my disgust and did not reciprocrate with such conversation... Yet did he ever say these things to the rest of the male team? Of course not! Only I, the woman, was seen as the emotional support source.
For some reason I get the feeling these people don't have sex. Because if you're doing it, why let everyone know. Unless they're so happy one person even touched them.
I find lots of these non binary, trans identity people have no one that wants to date them. But for some reason they can't stop talking about their kinks. they're also not having sex. It's so weird to me.
The same with poly couples. I used to work with a woman who said her and her husband were poly and she would constantly talk about her and her ugly husband's sex life 🤢
BUT the thing is no one else wanted either of them, until one day her husband wanted a divorce because he met someone that didn't want to be involved in that lifestyle.
It seems no one has boundaries anymore. And if you do have them, you're vanilla and that is apparently the worst thing in the world.
It used to be, you talked to your CLOSE friends about that stuff. Now it seems like gen z don't have close friendships , don't have romantic relationships either.
OF COURSE it’s a polyamorous it who wants to share his fucking sex life at work. 🙄 no one wants to hear that shit at work. When I’m doing drinks with the girls? Absolutely. God forbid we have any boundaries anymore.
I would love I not hear about anyone's sex lives at work, thanks. Please keep the embarassing details of your boring lives to yourselves.
And when you try "reporting to HR" you can't, because some dweeb made you talk about your sex life too, or HR literally just doesn't do anything.
I can't count how many times men tried "Casually hitting on me" at work, like it's just a thing to do. But when I say "Fuck off" then it's harassment?
of all my younger friends, the only ones who offer up unsolicited sex talk or borderline pedo YT videos have been one dude who is "bisexual" and is in an intimate relationship with a guy who uses "they/them." 🙄
when this article mentions "people" it really should say "transwomen," aka men.
so men are being gross at work. shocking./s
Weird according to the manosphere men are ignoring women and it happens more often, I was like yay very good..
I kind of hate my job and am looking for a new line of work, but I will say I’m thankful that my employer is *very* strict in that this isn’t tolerated, at all. We can’t even talk politics or anything remotely controversial, let alone anything related to sex. Not to say it never happens because I’m sure it does, but I’ve never experienced it like I have at other companies.
When I worked at a fast food place when I was 18 there was a gay, cross-dressing man in his 40s who told me the details of his weekend sexual exploits every shift while he made the sandwiches. It made me really uncomfortable but at the same time I was fascinated because no adult had ever talked to me like that before.
This is why I try to act as boring as possible at my job😂. I do not need people telling me about their sex life.
I don't know shit about my coworkers sex life and I would love to keep it that way. I don't think I even know the marital status of anyone except an older guy who has a photo of him and his wife on his desk and a woman who recommended a winery to me in California and mentioned she got married there.