I have noticed this since I was in high school. It is more prevalent in male-dominated fields but it is everywhere. Men share among themselves information that they use to level up their careers and then aggressively keep it away from women. We need to share this with each other when we find it out. Anything we can do to get ahead is beneficial. We also need to horde information from them, even if it's information they already have. They don't need to know we have their secrets. Let them find out the hard way like they let us. It might even be obvious to a leveld up queen who has been swimming in the shark tank (no offense to sharks, I love them) who knows things she doesn't realize some of us don't. Don't pull up the ladder behind you. Share some career hacks.
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The boys club is still real and I'm sure is no surprise to anyone here. I read somewhere that statistically, women get ahead when they have 2 networks: one woman-only, one gender-mixed. I've found this to be accurate.
High performing women look out for each other and have opened doors to me I never would've found elsewhere, and male allies have done similar while also giving me great tips on negotiation, introductions (and instant credibility) to their male colleagues, and even salary numbers.
I've found even VIP women notoriously undershoot their worth while the most worthless dude will still ask for the raise. It's insane.
I left my last company for a lot of reasons, but a big one was the fact I was the #2 salesperson in the company, doing the work of MULTIPLE people, and correcting the mistakes of senior guys getting paid 2X what I was while they were blowing deadlines and showing up to meetings drunk.
And I was still getting passed over for promotions.
Meanwhile, I can name four guys who were fired for misconduct or bad performance, then later rehired (!) and promoted over me (!!). Bad companies will coddle the most mediocre men even when it hurts their bottom line.
One of my biggest allies was a senior guy who quietly told me what the men were being paid and that the CEO, who'd just offered me a promotion, was underballing me by $30K. He taught me how to counter and get the extra $30K I was entitled to.
I got my money, but the company was such a shit show that I still left 6 months later. My boss was an insecure man and of course threatened legal action when I left. Another senior guy who liked me pulled rank and told him to drop it.
My new job has been amazing! It helps having a powerful female boss who goes to bat for women.
Anyway, if I can share lessons here:
Have 2 networks. Your networks not only directly influence your earning power, they're a lifeline out of bad situations very quickly.
Know the numbers and learn how to negotiate. Ask men you trust. IME, women who haven't unpacked their self-worth issues will give you bad advice on this front.
You're not your job. Men and companies love to take advantage of women's guilt and underpaid labor. Never feel bad about taking a better opportunity or rejecting disrespect.
MOST IMPORTANT: Develop an attitude of "Fuck you, pay me." Yeah, you'll have to be careful with this because often society punishes women who are perceived as bitchy. But your life changes when your mind quietly switches to, "I deserve this." (money, respect, a promotion) A lot of men and companies will paradoxically respect you even more for it.
Related to career information, Patriarchy also withholds financial information from women. All of my exes in college were into shares, investments, financial plans, discussing finances with friends, asking for work promotions and finding ways to save/make extra money… meanwhile 19 year old me and my friends had been conditioned to waste all our little money on trendy clothes/cosmetics and splitting 50/50 on dates 🤡.
It wasn’t until FDS and I was like “oh sh*t! I need to start earning and protect my finances NOW". I didn't start learning until I started picking my father's brain (who is quite high in finance but annoyingly never taught me anything, makes me wonder if I'd be treated differently if I was a son) and my BF who also works in finance, or by listening to female-oriented finance podcasts, and browsing the FDS Handbook…
Women try to do things “by the books,” meanwhile men have their networks and boys’ clubs where the real hires and decisions are made.
I try to be bolder, more confident, and less rigid in my career moves. But I still haven’t completely overcome this issue.
I have found that anonymous online career forums in my male-dominated profession are a good place for me to lurk and learn.
This is absolutely true. I work in a research lab, led by two male senior researchers. All the decisions are made by the two bosses behind closed doors, after which the information is passed down to their male proteges. I never know what's going on, I have to ask around. The male employees always seem to have more information about relevant networking opportunities, they are sent to conferences, seminars and training placements more often... It's boys clubs all the way down, and I'm sick of it 😠
I had men on first dates BRAG about faking degrees, faking working from home conference screens, faking job referrals by their drinking/drug buddies, doing engineering/medical work while inebriated. I can't even! And these men give women shade for not making the same money! And expect us to pay for dates!
Another thing for women to watch out for is when a woman is hired for high profile job or off the street (= applying to job posting, as opposed to through own network), those jobs can be real liabilities by design. Some scrotes have fucked something up at work and now they are looking for a woman to hang all responsibility on to. Could cost you a reputation and legal action.
We need something like a board of directors that can discuss a woman's career question. Something like a group of mentors that rotate and make it a paid podcast for verified patrons.
I'm not surprised but also saddened by this. When I was going around crazy dating all different types of guys, I always thought it was weird the disparity of one scrote I dated. So many of them have way more money than I can ever hope to have sure they work 3 jobs but... they have their own places and have a lot of flexibilities, I try to pry into what they do for a living or WTF are they doing that I am not? I don't wanna be a scrote like them but I want at bare minimum that life. I am way more educated than a lot of my exes but I'm sitting here broke n stuck trying to do delivery driving. (I'm trying to self-educate on the side changing into tech).
Yes, it's super annoying and makes me mad, scrotes with much less education, experience and work ethic are getting hired and promoted all the time!