So, we've got this evidence, when men and women actually PLAY tennis, and it's not redpill propaganda, the game is pretty much the same between men and women. With tackling or height sports, like football or basketball, things would obviously be different, but we've got the stats that serve speeds between men and women are pretty much the same, with men having a slight edge. But speed isn't enough a factor in tennis to really claim that the average man would be better than a professional woman. It's a skill sport that relies on precision and imagining where the tennis ball will be before it gets there. It's kind of like shotput, where the male top performers outscore women, by what? a yard? Like the average person can throw a 22 yard shotput? That difference is damn near meaningless. Then you have Serena Williams, an actual tennis champion spouting off pickme stuff about how male vs female tennis is SO different that women's tennis basically isn't a sport or some shit. She should get flamed for that. She's played men and has beaten enough of them to know different. This isn't the truth. This is catering to men. You can't look at men and women and imagine a relationship if you've kneecapped the female side of things in your mind. This is important. Further edit: Not only are women usually pretty comparable to men on sports that don't involve body slamming, punching, etc, but professional women usually know how to take down the average male even at wrestling. You are all falling for redpill propaganda if you think a professional women is worse than the average man at sports. Further edit: I shared vids of women kicking mens asses at tennis, and golf, here's even fucking ARM WRESTLING. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmYrnO7Il8 Here's tennis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdmYrnO7Il8 Don't argue that they're only snippets, because the redpill propaganda is also only snippets, and they've got the records that female servings speeds are about the same as men's. We aren't some separate fucking species...
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Serena Williams once played a set against the 203rd ranked male player in the world and got destroyed 6-1.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/tennis/news-the-williams-sisters-vs-karsten-braasch-the-world-no-203-destroyed-serena-williams-venus-williams-battle-sexes
Jimmy Connors once played Martina Navratilova. She was allowed to hit into both doubles alleys whereas he was confined to the singles court. And she got the standard two serves and he only was allowed to have one serve. He still won in straight sets 7-5 and 6-2.
That doesn’t diminish what female players do. They’re amazing athletes and deserve the praise, pay, and spotlight. But don’t say the best female players can beat the best men when it’s simply not true. Height, speed, and strength matter in tennis and obviously men have a biological advantage.
I don't understand where you're going with this. It sounds like you're saying men don't have an advantage over women in sports... which would mean TW should be able to play on women's teams. Please tell me that's not what you're saying.
It's not kneecapping women to acknowledge biological differences. That's anything but "artificial".
It's more kneecapping and more dangerous to say at a similar fitness level there's any sort of parity between men and women. If I was in a room alone with a man who works out as often as I do (which is a very run-of-the-mill twice a week), he could still murder me without breaking a sweat whereas I could not do the same.
That's what matters to 99% of women. Using fringe examples (which don't even prove your point) is dangerous.
Sports are not only segregated by sex, it's also segregated by age and weight class. Women can and do become athletes. Segregation is for fairness. Males are also known to be hostile to females in mixed competitions even if the sport itself is non physical like chess and e-sports.
Why can't we compete with only fellow women and girls anyway? Not everything should involve males.
Women's strength is different from men's, so what. Female bodies are designed for endurance, flexibility and survival, not for explosive strength and speed. Males have stronger grip strength, bigger hands, lungs and heart, designed for more testosterone, thicker bones, bigger veins and stuff. Females also have periods and ovulation cycles, which can affect our performance.
My middle school was very sports focused, we had national champions in various sports from contact, non contact, to individual sports such as swimming. Girls and boys played games together all the time for practice, but the strength difference was clear even at that age. The best of the girls would win very little, if at all, if they were to compete with the best of the boys. Not because of patriarchy, but because of the very real biological differences. It didn't matter if the girls were taller and bigger, the boys were stronger.
Are you going to debate for teen athletes to compete with U-10 athletes, too? You know, cause 10 year olds aren't weak and can do sports?
I used to be in denial about how much stronger men are than women. But that's ignorance and libfem propaganda. Men are much stronger than women, and men are much better athletes (in absolute terms, e.g. speed, strength, wins). Thats not an insult to women, it's just a fact. It doesnt do us any good to deny that.
I think you're getting your information from the "TIMs belong in women's sports" lobby. Or maybe youve been hanging out with the moids who cry about how they're "not allowed" to hit women.
Unverified account. Might be male. Don't feed the trollllz .
>"So, we've got this evidence"
I don't have it. Quote your peer reviewed sources please?
>"It's kind of like shotput, where the male top performers outscore women, by what? a yard? Like the average person can throw a 22 yard shotput? That difference is damn near meaningless."
Meaningless to the average person who doesn't need a yard in their shotputting, like you or me. That yard is gonna be one hulluva difference in the Olympics though.
>Women are perfectly capable of being strong and athletic. But male and female bodies are different. Not better or worse - just different. I think this is where your issue is coming from, that you perceive the generalised lower strength as lesser, perhaps? Women's bodies are "kneecapped" in your words by the need to carry babies: we have higher fat percentages, wider hips, more flexible immune systems (that lead to more autoimmune problems but fewer diseases). We have different strengths - we are often healthier and good at endurance. Women are actually pretty dang tough: we've done many of the harder physical labour jobs than men have throughout history.
Different does not mean better or worse. That is important. You don't have to be good at what men are good to have worth. Actually THAT would be patriarchy.
You've clearly never grown up with brothers or had much male contact have you?
I see women like this alot who are seriously naive thinking sexual dimorphism doesn't exist in hominids.
Men's reflexes and tolerance for pain are different. Their upper body strength is vastly different. When I was in NYC I was at this party and all the onlyfans girls really thought they could beat these men at arm wresting. Truly opened my eyes to how insanely naive they were and why they made the choices they did 💀
Did she ever play against men ?