Thoughts on the Redfem Podcast

I like this podcast and always look forward to the new episodes and I’m considering supporting them through patreon.

I like their politics and they always have interesting topics.

I don’t see the point in staying opionons of if they’re HV or LV. They do not date men, maybe they have some scrote friends or acquaintances but they won’t have the need to follow fds because they don’t have to.

I believe they said on the fds podcast and on their own, they like fds and have said it’s good for women who date men.

They were on fds because they have a radfem political podcast and had a discussion about dating culture in the uk and female separatism. Topics that they can give good insight on.

I don’t vape or pick my nose but if a woman does, I don’t think that should disqualify her from being a leveled up HVW. HVW can so the cost benefit analysis and determine if something brings value to their life. Having misogynistic dude bro friends though… that is not HVW behavior.

Many men who call themselves “high value” bc of their income or height or whatever often impose their own weird ideas about feminity and what a HVW is. And I think it is a dangerous trap to use surface qualities like those or body type or things like that to determine whether a woman is HVW or not. We are all a bit gross sometimes, we all have some struggles, inevitably we will all get older. Some days of our hormonal cycle we might look or feel a bit better or worse. I don’t think using those types of things to analyze how high value a woman is empowers and uplifts women.

They are lesbians in a long-term relationship with each other, I think they might even be married. I don't think they are concerned about being HVW as their values are likely very different from yours.

well, i have opinions about the podcast episode, not so much abou the participants themselves.

i agree with their view of the precarious situation of dating in the UK. And the part where one of them share about how women get easily impressed by guys who pay for dinner dates is so rtue! the bar is low, the average male is low value. so we meet a man who is willing to pay for dinner and actually court us, it's easy to be fooled and think he'll be different from most. that's a trap, and that's why we need to vet for waaaay more than "is he inviting me for a real date and paying for it?"

now the part about separatism... sisters... that could have been so much better. it just wasn't well done in my opinion. they basically said separatists are women who are chronically online and hate men because they are bitter for never being chosen. "they are women who live with their mothers" is the same kind of insult people direct at incels.

well, first of all, there is a lot of trauma surrounding the "man-hating" aspect of separatism, and i think it's perfectly justifiable. they're not murdering men, they're not making men's lives more difficult. they talk shit about them at worst.

secondly, so what if they live with their mothers? in the current economy, it's extremely difficult to leave your parents' house without a partner. and if they don't want men and aren't lesbians no bi, they'll be single and broke. "they can go live with their separatists friends" - ecept the participants made it very clear that they have met very few separatists IRL. and finding flatmates is not that easy. people are difficult, regardless of their political views.

thirdly, they said these women talk about men al the time, as if they were supposed to not talk about them just because they are separatists. communists talk about capitalism all the time. why? because we live ina a capitalist society and communists have a lot of criticism about it. in so called "communist" countries such as cuba (not really communist, it's socialist, but anyway), there are capitalists among the population who criticize communism every chance they get. environmentalists also talk a lot about polution and such. it's a normal thing that happens, especially online.

we live in a patriarchy, where men dominate and have the most power, so yeah no shit separatists will talk about it all the time. and here at FDS women talk about how shit men are even though one of the goals is to date them. to me it seemed like they were criticising separatists like "you're not really separatist if you talk about men that much", which to me makes no sense.

i have to agree, though, when they say it's not a thing outseid of the internet. you can't take men out of the equation when you live in a patriarchy. they are half the population, they are everywhere, they have all the power, they control everything. building a functional, healthy community with only women is a utopia because humans (just like all being with sexual reproduction) have evolved on the basis of connection and procreation. we cannot escape it, unfortunately. but i see no problem at all in being separatist in theory. i think it's a way to decenter men.

about political lesbianism, i have never ever bought into that idea anyways, so i agree with them when they say it's BS and disrespectful to real lesbians. i think straight women idealize lesbianism as a lifestyle that can save women from patriarchy without the need to refrain from affection. but it's not. you can' force yourself into a specific sexual orientation.