Today I did a deep dive into some of the Red pill YouTube because I saw the buzz about Kevin Samuels dying of a heart attack and the subsequent tweet "what did Kevin Samuels die of, being 56 and unmarried?" Lol...
Not only was it exhausting and demoralizing, not because of the beliefs but more so the absolute sadness of these red pill guys. I can theoretically understand where they're coming from, that when they were geeky and broke they got rejected and now they're getting revenge on the high school pretty girl who rejected them by trying to get rich and use women for their bodies. I understand not everyone is perfect so I'm not going to pretend like these men have no right to their opinions, but honestly it's just kind of sad. These men advocating for other men to tell women to go f*** themselves, use them for their bodies, lie to them and then what, die single and miserable at the age of 56?
I'm certainly not suggesting we should go rush and be these men's wives, they don't even want that. And we don't want that. But it's just sad because I keep hearing the red pillers send in their stories, that when they were 28 they were dating a beautiful woman who was easy to be with, had lots of sex, and genuinely enjoyed each other's company. But he refused to commit when she was asking for commitment after 6 months of this ongoing pseudo relationship. I just kept thinking that this man dumped what would have been a great wife and a lifelong companion, for what? So he could write emails to bitter YouTubers? These men genuinely believe that they should have women in the chasing position at all times and as soon as they commit, the woman will turn to a pile of dog s***. It only reinforced my belief in rules and fds ideology, that you should never ever ever chase a man because there's a likelihood he could be one of these red pill scroats, stringing you along for months and months and months with absolutely no intention of ever committing, in fact hating you to your very bones
I'm not even concerned about what made these men like this, I don't really care. But it's just sad and I wonder how many men in the real world are like this, how many men who wouldn't commit to us in the past were these exact men, consuming hateful YouTube material telling beautiful women who are interested in them that they "weren't ready to commit" just to end up 56 years old, alone having a heart attack. Alone at 70, bitter creepy and gross lusting after teenagers in unregulated pornography.
Can any older women weigh in on what exactly happens to these guys and their old age 50+ ? Sometimes I have a little crush on an older man who I work with but of course I would never act on it not only because we are co-workers but because he is older and I just keep feeling like men who are single past the age of 45 probably have something wrong with them or are deeply entrenched in red pill ideology. I know lots of women married to men who treat them like kings, massages and sex and emotional support not to mention child rearing. I really do feel like these red pill guys simply couldn't hack it in a relationship so they blamed it on women in general and swore off relationships to avoid future repeated relationship failure.
The scrotes on Reddit would say this is just feminazis screeching about how men don't want to date them, it's rather just quite pathetic and sad and I really don't know what comes of these men. Sure I've met them, but I'm only in my twenties so I definitely would be interested to hear from older women and their 40s and 50s what happens to these men who swear off women forever. It even seems like the men who make these YouTube channels are like in too deep- making bitter, angry videos in their cars about how sexy teenagers are and how angry career women are. Like bro is that life really satisfying for you, screeching into your camera alone hating women? Gross
My experience is that they can’t hack the relationship. I was my ex husband’s second wife and younger than his first. I was the newer bouncier cool girl until obviously I wasn’t. So he left me as well. He’s disillusioned with life and very much blames us for being so awful. Except that wife #1 met someone else (and they seem very happy together) and I met someone else and we both have great relationships with the kids, good friends and had no trouble dating. It wasn’t us, it was having to genuinely care for a partner and small children he couldn’t handle. Whenever I hear the stories, I do think of my ex and wonder whether the red pill stuff is just a way of avoiding the uncomfortable truth that they know they aren’t able to man up the way previous generations were better able to.
In my experience they are miserable but blame anyone and everyone except themselves. It is women's fault they can't seem to get along with half the human population. It is their ex-wives' fault for being greedy enough to expect them to pay money to help support their own children. They usually look terrible for their age and often have health problems and a tendency to avoid self-care like dental visits and medical checkups.
The opposite older bachelors are the ones who are neurotic somatic narcissists, and are obsessed with avoiding old age at any cost. These are the ones you find wearing inappropriately "hip" clothes for their age and looking ridiculous in the process, going to the gym every single day, sometimes twice a day, desperately trying to get rid of the sagging skin around their ass and arms and those old man neck wattles that most men seem to get shortly after 40. Many take steroids, making them even more unstable mentally, and they spend their income on expensive shiny objects that they barely notice because they are hollow, empty people who can't connect to others in any real way. They will string along younger women indefinitely because they are the typical Peter Pans who care about nothing but their own gratification and when she begins to have needs of her own, they will cruelly drop her without a second thought. I dated a man like this when I was in my early thirties and we had great fun, but he wasted my time and ended up hurting me badly in the end.
If a man is 40 or older and has never been married and doesn't have kids, beware. There's a reason no woman has ever agreed to be his wife.
Everyone of them I know is primarily alone. They may get a girlfriend for a few months on occasion, and it's clear the woman is not equal to the beauty standard of previous women. These men are quite shallow, they spent their younger years attempting to find the "perfect" ideal, and then when they found those relatively close beauties, they spent their time whittling on these women, criticizing and using them, trying to break them down into ever submissive, self loathing piles of masochism until the women mentally broke and fled. Every replacement slowly became less close to the bar because he aged so that narrowed the pool of young woman interested in him. His reputation proceeded him so the few quality women he meets run when they hear the gossip through the grape vine. Many women learn the signs more so only the most dysfunctional pickmes are left, etc. Those lower rate pickmes he tends to conceal because they don't meet his bragging standards. We find out about them eventually though because the pickmes are so riddled with self esteem issues that they act passive aggressive - swinging wildly between worshipping him then creating all kinds of jealous, competitive drama between his family and friend circle. Pick mes who complain about him going to family events because their may be girls there, etc - He starts to live some of the crap he has done to others, this appeals to his narcissist ego, so he begins to brag about his "psycho" woman. Now his conversation basically alternates between: showing photos of attractive women who are gone within a few dates - the next you ask about her "it didn't work out", or him complaining about some dramatic women he's dating whose photo he will not show, and you are just shaking your head realizing this dude never changed. You distance yourself from them cause they are such shit shows, their friend base degrades as people can see the glaringly obviously bad treatment he doles out to others Many aging PUA types start to get so desperate for a young taut thing that they will start to target mentally challenged women. Seriously, I have seen many guys in their 40s chase teenaged mentally slow women on social security to have someone young, then these complain about the economic burden she is because social security isn't enough to really contribute to a house hold. I don't know a single PUA type who married and it lasted through life. Not one ... All of them are Jerry Springer show dysfunctional level by their late 40s, even their male friends are talking smack about them behind their backs, by 50 they are rather hermitted with few associates left. Which means they start to target younger relatives and associates of their own families. 50 year old men skeeving and poor me sobbing on their nieces, cousins and their friends they become the family pervert everyone is embarrassed about until they drop dead....
What happens to these guys after they hit 45? 🤡🤡🤡🤡 I went on a date with older men when I was in my early 20s (I know, I know😭) And they referred to themselves as 18 +20 years of experience. Another one lied about his age. He said he was my age. Of course he didn't look 20 anymore.🤢 Who are you trying to impress, Steven? It doesn't work like that, you clown 🤡!
Hiya, 45 year old married female here. I can tell you though, what has happened to some of my old classmates.
So, many are divorced. They didn't work on themselves or their marriages and almost 100% the woman filed for divorce. They act super shocked, like "it was all just came out of nowhere!!" But, it didn't. the wife had been working for years and finally gave up. Then comes the shock of what happens after the divorce and it isn't pretty.
While many of us ladies have kept ourselves up, these balding overweight middle managers have not. At first, they think, :yay! Im free! Im going to fuck all these women!" Reality soon sets in as many now move to the Sad Post Divorce Apartment (SPDA). The SPDA has a gross haze around it, bland furniture, no art, a Giant Tv and a fridge packed with condiments and Bud Light. As they open the fridge door, the harsh light reflects back on their shiny heads, as day old noodles stare back at them. The weight of their former life starts to flash like the ghosts of A Christmas Carol. Regret sets in. Depression. All his married friends are now hearing about "when Catherine and I used to go skiing" or "Catherine and I used to do this or that" with this sad regret. Soon, he tries to get Catherine back....hes hungry! He misses his kids and his laundry being done. But Catherine has leveled up and looks amazing! She recently went to Costa Rica with her girlfriends and had her hair braided. She has a soft glowing tan and has decorated her new home, smaller but quaint, in the feminine style she loves. It stays clean and she finds she has a lot more free time now. At night she reads in bed with her new dog and has a whole King sized bed all to herself! She has satin sheets and wears no pj's to bed with zero worry about HIM tryin to get sex. The last thing she wants, is HIM back in her bed or in her life.
Next comes the ANGER. Oh my they get ANGRY!!! The fucking Judge screwed him on Child support and Alimony!! The courts HATE men!! Wont someone think of the men!!!!!! Catherine is such a difficult BITCH! After everything he has done for his family, how could she do this??? That GOLDDIGGER! He will show her, he will get a hot young girlfriend. So he buys a fancy car and gets jeans with little rhinestones on the butt, he wears Tommy Bahama shirts and loafers and starts going out and online dating. He has Pam, his work mate help him curate a perfect profile while he whinges about That Bitch, Catherine. Pam is tired of his whining but cant get away, so she's stuck. One day a gorgeous twenty something swiped on his profile and they started chatting. Sweet little thing lived at home and needed money. She would send pics and he would send her money occasionally. He knew his efforts would pay off and they would be together where he could take his Viagra for his ED and ram his old peen into something that was not used up, unlike that BITCH CATHERINE. Unfortunately, the new young thing turned out to be a Nigerian Scammer who bamboozled him out of a couple grand before he caught on. Now he just drinks, listens to Joe Rogan podcasts and posts his venting on Reddit red pill sites. His rhinestone jeans are now very tight, his shirts have sweat stains in the armpits and his nose looks red and ruddy from drinking. His gout is acting up lately and its getting hard to pee five times in the middle of the night. All his married friends are sick of his complaining and hardly call anymore. Pam doesn't even want to listen to him since getting her promotion, she avoids him. He now hates women. They are all the same. He hates them all, he thinks to himself as he falls asleep in front on the TV, snoring loud enough to cause the lady upstairs to hit the floor with her shoe and shout, "shut up!". He gets up resentfully and shuffles to the twin mattress on a sad box spring. The mattress squeaks and protests as he puts his C-PAP over his face so he can breathe through the sleep apnea. Dirty boxer shorts pile in the corner like lurking demons. Why cant they just like a Nice Guy, like him??
men that can’t get over being rejected in their early years are losers. it happens to us women too but we don’t behave the way they do
They don't exactly swear off women, only off being decent to them. If they really did go their own way they wouldn't still be talking about women, they're obsessed by us, if every woman on earth suddenly up and left the planet they'd probably fall into such a fit of depression they'd stop eating and die from starvation, and mad probably. For them even being hated by us is better than feeling ignored.
I doubt anything did happen to these guys to make them like they are, I believe they started out that way, if they got past it anything that triggers anxiety around a woman getting one over him could make it resurface and red pill is just the latest installment. When I was a teen I knew (and unfortunately was targeted by) guys as young as 15 with similar rhetoric, they picked it up from their fathers, brothers, older peers and stupid pick up books. Not socially awkward or unattractive guys either, popular good looking guys who had no reason to feel rejected by women and not old enough to have had their heart broken yet. It was 100% peer related. There were plenty of girls around who enabled them too, when one of them date raped me the only thing my friend could say was "how come YOU get to sleep with him!". I'd say it's cultural, it's conditioning and it's contagion, the product of stupid man boys who refuse to deal with their own crap contaminating the next generation. The kids pick it up, they mistreat women, and their fears about being vulnerable become a self fulfilling prophecy when she kicks him to the curb, they create the very problem they're trying to escape via their own insecurity and paranoia.
In most cases men die because of their own actions. In his case drinking Redbull like water. Most women die because of the actions of men. Just look at the Tatiana case. Two men are the reason why she’s dead.
I would never date older men even if they are hot. 99% of old men aren't hot. Older men are predators and always prey on the youngest. they claim women peak at 18 and 23 is 2 years away to being a leftover woman. I don't want to give older men a choosing options. They need to die alone for wasting their prime years to grow up and start a family.