Princella Clark gives me cult leader vibes

I like her. I like her as a feminist that talks about race, demographics, and sex. I don't agree with everything she says, but I think coming at things from a "men cannot love you" standpoint and making them jump through external hoops and if they happen to genuinely love you, then great, but not likely is fantastic. Her separatism is refreshing. Look at matriarchal cultures that don't welcome men inside female homes. There is no word for "rape." They just don't have that. There is no capitalism, but everyone is fed. Men should be away from women for the most part. Her antifeminism is in the sense that men and women aren't equal, and as a genuine female supremacist, I agree. She believes that women can DO everything that men can DO on a human level. That doesn't make us equal, and she explains why. They are, biologically speaking, jacked up women. Their hormones are violent. When they think of love and sex with women, they think in terms of domination. Knowing this shit is important. She needs to exist to warn us and younger women BEFORE they get fucked up by a dudes penis feels.

I glanced at her Youtube a few times since a few here reccomended her and got the same vibe... Some major ick for me. Charlie's Toolbox though, is fantastic.

I think she makes some good points, but she's unquestionably female separatist. That's fine, but not entirely what Female DATING Strategy is about. I think a lot of her audience are women who have been conditioned to please men and accept abuse, and I think her message can help them reject that mindset. Overall, though, I think our approach of simply decentering men is a better and more realistic one.

Her channel does give me "cult" vibes, but I hesitate to call her a cult leader, since a lot of big youtubers attract people who are trying to find meaning in their lives through parasocial relationships. The only difference is most of the other youtubers with that kind of following are male.

The thing that I find kind of disingenuous about her is that she acts like her teachings are entirely unique, and she's the only person who can enlighten you about "the true nature of men", when most of what she says is just basic radical feminism and female separatism (two movements she claims she doesn't draw from at all). Nothing wrong with borrowing from other movements without being completely identified with them, but don't claim everything you say is completely original, when it's not.

She's a lot. Take what works and leave the rest. Some could say FDS is a cult because of 'the rules'. If you really break it down, ie cult dynamics, and look at the way our world is set up, and how it functions, almost everything is a cult. Hell, I recently studied some law at Uni and I can tell you that was a cult like experience... The IMPORTANT thing is to stay centred within one's self and always be discerning. Especially during these times where society is declining/collapsing and people are indeed looking for things to cling on to. I'm not exactly sure on the comments you've made about her because I haven't seen that in action so can't speak on those examples specifically, and you haven't pointed to any sources to review. That's not to dismiss them or say they're untrue, just that I haven't seen it myself, so I can't comment. She is very unapolagetically herself and backs what she believes. That can be very triggering, but I think that's part of her point? I haven't seen a whole lot of her videos, and I rarely will watch more than 1hr (b/c who has time?). I agree her videos are too long (for me), but I guess that's part of her 'thing'. I don't think long videos make you a cult leader. She's not forcing anyone to stay. She literaly can't. That is a hallmark of cults - you can't leave. And I've been in that environment before so I know. BUT whether she would take it to that level in an inperson meet, I can't know. Maybe you're right and there are vulnerable women being exposed to something in those longer videos but I wouldn't know because I don't watch them. (I do intend to watch the rest of the one I posted the other day, but that was interview so it's not 'all her' so may be different to her other ones to which you are refering). I'm not sure who is "handing over [their] judgement" to her. It's just content she puts out and the viewer makes of it what they will. Just like FDS and any other content out there. If you vibe, you vibe. If you don't you don't. I do think it's an important conversation, because cults (and their leaders) are a very serious thing.

I just don't know whether she is a cult leader, or whether you just don't like her.

Just to throw more info into the mix I will say this: Pro: She does seem incredibly well read on vast topics of science, psychology, sociology. She has a brain. Con: I will say I have experienced people defending her in a way that cult followers might defend a cult leader. Inconclusive for me at this stage. I just take what works and leave the rest. Discernment is key.

As someone who watches Princella and likes her content, it's disappointing that she won't admit that she builds upon eco feminism, goddess worship, and matriarchal philosophy discovered long before her. She did NOT invent these concepts, and just because she hasn't heard anyone say them before on social media does NOT mean she's the first to talk about them. There's a whole literary and academic history that spans before her, and any matriarchal-minded woman needs to bow down to the lineage before her.

However, here are a list of things I think Princella DOES need recognition for:

-Explaining how male behavior is incongruent with actual love

-How male physiology (testosterone, aggression, high sex drive, etc.) makes it very difficult for males to prioritize equity and love; in other words, their biology renders them selfish, and it is only society and women ourselves who check them and keep them in line.

-Exposing that ALL positive male behavior is motivated by the desire to use a woman in some capacity (Even a HVM is, in a way, wanting to "use" his female partner for something - sex, ego stroking, companionship, etc.)

-Explaining how sex, especially unprotected sex, with males affects a female's psychology (the effect of seminal fluid)

I like her content and watch all of her videos, sometimes multiple times. I do usually watch while doing something else (cooking/eating dinner, work, ect.) So I don't mind the length of her videos.

I disagree that her message isn't unique. I would agree that it draws on themes of other fringe movements (let's be real, outside of FDS, most women have not heard of eco-feminism or even radfem), but putting together information in a novel way is innovation and she should be given credit for that. Like eco-feminism doesn't also have a message that men are incapable of love. Also, her message that woman should serve the planet goes beyond the environment. She talks about woman being in leadership positions in society too.

I think it takes a lot of watching her to understand the novelty in her message. I would also say she has a lot of novelty in her delivery. I actually enjoy her delivery and could watch her all day. It is refreshing to see a woman owning herself in that way, having abundant confidence, and being able to go toe to toe with terrible men from the manosphere. I haven't seen any other woman able to do that and translate scholarship and academia in an engaging message for the masses. I don't see her as a cult so I won't get into that.

I think most of the feminism she criticizes is liberal feminism that has mostly become a joke today. And she's well within her right to not identify as a radical feminist. Her message may have some overlap, but it's different in totality.

On FDS we discuss how HVM are <1% of the population of men, how if we can't find a good man there's nothing wrong with us, how to have a dating strategy to weed out lvm, ect.

I find Princella's message to actually be somewhat compatible with FDS. She delves into WHY less than 1% of men are HVM, which was a critical piece missing from FDS. We talk about misogyny & entitlement but not the why behind that and not in a comprehensive way. The truth is if we are all going after less than 1% of men, the majority of women on FDS will end up alone. Adopting some ideas from female separatism was a great thing for me.

I'll end with a personal story that happened a week ago. I was hit by a car while on a bike at night. The event was traumatic, and I got a minor injury. The event happened because there was a black dusty behind me harassing me. He saw the whole thing happen, and then proceeded to ask me for money while I was clutching my leg clearly in pain. He looked through my things, made a half-hearted attempt to help, and then left before the cops showed up. Also knew why the men on bikes who rode by didn't stop to help, even on an empty street when I yelled at them to help.

Since I've been listening to Priscella, I expected this of male behavior and was not outraged. I knew exactly what was happening and why because of my knowledge of male nature, their struggle to have empathy, etc. It's incredibly freeing, and this knowledge has been so powerful for me.

Thank you 🙏 I feel the exact same way. Her whole “brand” throws me off. It's too much marketing. Obviously she found a niche that's trending right now (selling self help advice to women), and her advice might come from a place that aligns with FDS somewhat, but the whole package gives me the ick. If her way of conveying her message resonates with some women, fine. It just doesn't with me and I can't stand “aggressive” content creators either (no matter if male or female).

ETA: lol these screenshots are batshit insane. I sincerely hope no FDS woman seriously approves of this.

I listen to a lot podcasts and watch a lot of videos. It doesn’t mean I’m going to agree with everything they say hence why self awareness is extremely important. Take what works for you and makes sense to you and ignore the rest.

I personally don’t have 2-3 hours to waste on one video and for some reason I tried but the way her content was created is draining and I can’t sit down and focus with her for some reason.

I'm a Princella fan, but I think a lot of your points are right. Especially the way she brags about not reading certain types of literature.

But I just love her style and her misandry (as much as she claims to not hate men, whatever.) I think she's a riot. Gonna keep watching.

Yeah I'm sorry... I couldn't get through her content beyond a video or two. Not for me. I don't like celebrities, politicians, religion or anyone with too much assumed authority.

She started awesome and I even got snapped out of my pickme delusion, I learned from her to never build a man, let a man build himself, he should be self sufficient and a hustler instead of asking you for help and money. But unfortunately when idea's run dry they show cult like behavior because that pretty much creates new content.

Second she acts like you should stay away from men at all times, I do agree women should stay away from men who want to be boyfriends aka small children instead of devoted husbands, and small things predict the future but it seems like she's losing her fds magic talking about less interesting things.

I believe in the world of Matriarchy and Sisterhood, the world would be a better place if women can enherit one half of the planet and men the other half, to reproduce healthy sperm is picked for sperm banks for women who are WGTOW or with another woman. gender select so that women only have daughters for the Matriarchial side and sons vice versa but when I said something similar to this she made a snarky remark and I was like huh?

It's funny you mention this. I have felt she could be a cult leader too. This is how I break it down.

Pros:

1. Verbally destroyed a popular misogynistic men's podcast (F&F) in an elaborate psy-op (She was accepted to be a guest without their awareness she was "old" and coming in with another agenda 🤣)

2. calls out toxic male behavior (with specifc examples), hygiene, even subtle manipulations, that can ruin a woman's life, especially for more naive women

3. Defines love in multiple components; does not say women have to "settle" for a man who does not love them /benefit them

4. Calls out pickme behavior (subtle and dangerous, including pickmes who keep their children around abusive men)

5. Has an inspiring backstory (she is incredibly intelligent/musically talented and adapted to many jobs to survive)

6. Loves her child

7. Funny/charismatic

8. Teaches women we all have innate value that many men can exploit to use as a service

9. Is happy to date a woman

10. Uses her past negative experiences to help others gain wisdom

11. Does not (AFAIK) support sugar babying or other attempts at exploitation of men for money/resources

12. Dispels *ncel myths that women cannot be vibrant/attractive/youthful/magnetic in "older" years (she is late 30s , big whoop lol)

13. Does not advocate harm to men AFAIK, just women refusing to engage romantically/seuxally with men who treat them poorly

14. Is often a compassionate listener to viewers; viewers will call and say she changed their life

15. Long streams may be helpful for those who like to listen while doing other things

16. May help women who feel to unattractive to attract a man anyway

Cons:

1. Extreme views: she has evolved from "most men are incapable of love" to "all men are incapable of love." She says they may "care," but that is it and caring is only a temporary emotion that may change tomorrow. Essentially, blackpilling for women that gives a nihilistic and (IMO not accurate) depiction of men. For me, I know there are good men but they never seem interested in me.

2. For Women who are hetero: she may save them from violent men and STDs. But not everyone is ok with being single for life/celibate or dating women. Women are too amazing to be a rejected hetero's "consolation prize" IMO. She seems to believe sexuality can be molded. I just don't know how true that is for every woman...

3. Has used some problematic language

4. Female separatism is not practical nor the solution to male depravity; again, men can and do act better. The issue is abuse/entitlement

5. She once mentioned something about sex workers IIRC. I don't think she is fully against prostitution and I think she has frequented the strip club (NLOG vibes)

6. Uses a pagan type of book based on ancient wisdom and cherry picks some things from the Bible, which may not sit well with those in Abraham's religions

7. She does believe her way is the only way

8. Uses just a few select resources to prove her points, but not the level of say a college paper. Contrast this to another controversial youtuber who breaks down "literature reviews"

9. Talks about male biology being inferior... I just don't like that. Even if it was true, it's still not an excuse or explanation for male depravity. Women can have all sorts of disabilities/weaknesses, so why are men different if they have some genetic flaws too?

10. Claims the men who dove in front of their girlfriends and took bullets for them during a movie theater shooting (Aurora?) Didn't "love" them, but just wanted to protect their property. Like how dare you?? That is literal altruism and if that were my family member, friend, or boyfriend I would want a word with her personally

11. Her child sometimes comes on the livestreams and I fear for the child's safety. Because internet depravity :(

That's really it. She's like Shallon Lester. Looking at harm, the most harm I think she would do is leaving men lonely / without romantic relationships. I don't think she is doing anything to incite violence against men (and yes, I know we seem to put women at higher standards, because there are *ncels who take the reversed content and harm people all the time).

Final verdict:

1. Not the healthiest person to follow because of the blackpilling view of men's morality, empathy, and capabilities

2. May help women reaffirm their decision to stay single with her info on male depravity.

3. May not incite violence, and yes there is not the historical context, but we hate it when F&F and others say the same about women

4. Needs more nuance sometimes

5. Watch at your own risk

ETA: Con #12: She blames testosterone for everything. But I read testosterone hormone blockers can also make men's moods (thus oftentimes behaviors) off the chain. Villifying testosterone won't do it. The men I dated with the lowest testosterone (by choice/lifestyle/lack of initiative) were the most sneaky, abusive (often covertly), weak, selfish, man baby, male-superiority types. I like masculine men, and a healthy balance of testosterone helps men regulate mood, build muscle, maintain other body functions, and act PROTECTIVELY. my low T exes would have gladly used me as a bloody meat shield if we were ever in trouble. Men can act better, but our society just loves to give a pass or slap them on the wrist for things women are vilified for. 16 rules of misogyny.

I checked out her content after seeing her recommended here so often. I really enjoyed her appearance on FnF — she had one of the men (I’m not familiar with their names) stumbling over his words and she humiliated him a bit. That was satisfying to see since they do the same to women so often. I don’t really align with a lot of her rhetoric though. I’m not a separatist and I believe there’s a lot of value in having good men in my life, like my brother and uncles.

I know a lot of people here enjoy her work and I respect that. She’s just not for me.

She’s saying a lot of the same things that radical feminists say, that we say here—that your bio says—that women are saying everywhere now that they’re waking up. So she never read a book on feminism. Neither have I, bc as a [Black] woman BREATHING who knows her history, I don’t need to.

Her videos are too long, for you. Ok? Cult vibes? Isn’t that what people say about FDS? Maybe you just don’t like the package, because I’m not hearing her say anything that’s so wacky about men and their degenerate behavior that I don’t read every day on here. (Some of her longer videos are of her going toe to toe LIVE with misgoynists on their platform, tearing their asses UP. I could watch them all night.)

And your example of what you do like is a woman whose videos are shorter, more brightly lit, and somewhat 'entertaining’. Queen P is not here to entertain. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Confession time: I bought her book, because her videos have some grains of truth but I do skip through them due to the lack of cohesion at times.

Anyways, I, too, at times lack cohesion of thought, lol🤣....so where was I?

Yeah so her book...that first one about Love, not the nearly $50 one, I beg of you ladies, please do not waste your time. It needs an editor and I was left wondering where was the ending.

It don't know if I was scammed or if I read through it too fast? As a whole, the main theme was not cohesive in the draft I purchased last year. I regret buying it as there are better materials for that price point.

I understand women like Princella, who grew up with lots of men in their households and are of a military mindset. But I cannot relate. That didn't stop me from listening to her content and learning but --- all that being said, no, I am not a fan.

ETA:

I think my background might help contextualize my thoughts: I am a mom of 2 young men, so it would quite unhealthy and toxic of me to think that men are incapable of anything. (Particularly, not after months of pregnancy - one baby was over 40 weeks or 10 months- hours of labor, and over a year nursing each baby - I have to start positive and do my very best❣️)

If I think like that, I have already lost the battle before the war has started in being a healthy, balanced parent.

Princella is hardly the first person to advocate that boys need activities like sports or martial arts to let off testerone. That grown men need to have a purpose.

"What is RADICAL about science and facts of biology?"

That is exactly what "radical" means here. A restructuring from the roots up. Maybe she should crack open a book or two, and she'd know she's not the first person to use these talking points.

Yeah, that entire rant reminds me of an influencer trying to sell me a $199.99 course on something I could learn for free if I looked hard enough.

Someone wrote a whole paragraph in here offended and is bringing up transgenders, completely off topic 🥴. If you don't like FDS leave, that's what I do if I don't like a platform. Anyways, as someone who is 23, and has been assaulted numerous times just as Princella has, and ALSO A BLACK WOMAN...I completely disagree with some claims and statements that Princella has made. Her content can be toxic and is bad for trauma victims such as myself on many levels. Some of her points are great, and definitely gave me insight, but the rest just seems way too extreme. All her content does is trigger me and it lowkey centers men. The whole point of decentering men is to stop talking about it. But guess what happens if she stops talking about ? She won't make money 😂.

I literally just watched a video today just to see if I could give it ONE more shot.

But she was literally begging for likes , and wouldn't continue to talk on her live until everyone did so. Reminds me of Cynthia G, all this talk about pathology and acting as if they don't care about men, but it's all they talk about. "But it's to help women," how is constantly centering your content around men being terrible and depraved...helpful for anyone ? Especially as someone who's trying to heal, her content was harmful to me, it made me feel bitter and depressed. And that's just MY experience, but from what I noticed, many trauma victims flock to her content, and it makes them just as depraved as the men they talk about.

I'm not gonna surround my thoughts constantly with talks of the bad men out there who do exist, because instead of focusing on healing, I'm just getting angry at every video I see talking about the depravity.

Everyone heals differently, but bringing down another group of people despite what happened to me, does not make me feel better.

It was very bad for my healing because all it was doing was keeping me stuck in a place of anger.

But again, they bring up great points and I can tell they're very intelligent, but I just think that this "all men are bad" or "all black men" rhetoric is exhausting. I'm tired of hearing it. Can we focus on better things. Like I just got a higher paying job and want to know how to navigate as a young woman. I work with plenty of men in the tech field, I can't just disregard them or cast all of them as evil, because it's simply not true.

I only truly engaged in their content when I was in a really bad place and had just been assaulted AGAIN. I have been through many cases of abuse , but I don't let that cloud my judgment. We haven't met every SINGLE MAN on earth to determine that ALL men are incapable of love or that ALL men are bad people, that makes no logical sense.

I use to be bitter after everything that happened to me, which is completely understandable. I had been abused by my now transgender woman cousin, from the age of 9 to 13. And I feared for it everyday and had been molested numerous times before he started touching me. Then I grew up to get assaulted on many different occasions

So take it from me, if you're going to listen to this content..only take bits and pieces. Use GREAT discernment. But honestly something about her comes off as cultish. Also as someone who is also bisexual I feel like she is trying to encourage women to consider lesbianism, or is suggesting in ways that it's the solution, when it isn't.

Her experience plays a huge role in her perception , remember that. Our experiences shape our view of the world. But if her views work for you, then good luck.

And ...calling out other women for spewing potentially harmful rhetoric on the internet , is NOT misogynistic. You don't know what misogyny is. Holding women accountable for what they say , is not misogynistic. Princella constantly talks about holding women accountable , so as long as she is a woman, I'm gonna hold her to that same standard. She's not untouchable 😂.

Anyone here read her book? Does it actually have something of value or can we glean its contents from her usual points? I was on the fence about buying it, but she is giving me the ick from the way she is selling it. As if it is something that came from the gods. If she hadn't said that, I would have bought it just to support a decent youtuber who has something of good value to say. But since she claims it "came to her from the divine", I'm getting irritated and feel like I'm being scammed.

I didn't see those comments but now it gives a much clear picture that she's behaving a little cult ish. That she claims that she will be invited everywhere sounds a bit off, you can't make that kind of predictions because everyone including the manosphere will laugh in your face when it doesn't happen. Second she was a guest on a dude's show and she debunked nothing, just giggling like a fool, on smelly and unfit podcast she didn't put them in place.

When Smelly said men build the word she gave a disappointing answer saying men who build the world don't look like smelly, If I was there I would say " The men who build the world are already dead so I owe the modern men nonthing, and if women were allowed to invent in that time they would have come with better inventions, " To take it up a notch I would say that the first human's are women without them humanity wouldn't exist so where is my enternal worship?

She hasn't defeated a single man challenging her and I doubt it's the nerves because on her channel she is all bark but no bite when wishy washy manlets come with ridiculous arguements.

Nah, I have to totally disagree with you OP, and tbh I think there's some internalized misogyny and misogynoir/ racism going on from you here too. Your post is full of vague stuff about 'vibes', baseless accusactions of 'meglomania' and intellectually lazy ideas- like positing that because there is not a general consensus on human behavior in the social sciences that somehow that means she can't inform on what has been studied and the trends and patterns therin. That's ridiculous and we both know it. It's like saying that because there's no theory unifying quantum and gravity in physics that someone can't teach another person about well known concepts of research in the fields of mechanics or electromagnitism. It's a very weak argument, bordering on nonsense. If you have a specific instance where you feel her scientific arguments are unsubstantiated, then bring that up and come with conflicting studies. Because as far as I have seen, all the scienfitic arguments she has brought up are well researched/ supported by peer reviewed papers and coincide with my own independant research, in subjects ranging from primate group dynamics to cell development. A woman who doesn't pander to traditional feminine ideals of being soft spoken, or who isn't giving mother or big sister vibes, doesn't equate to a cult leader or narc. She's assertive, passionate in her message, believes in what she says, and isn't going to entertain nonsense. As she has often reiterated, she has often worked in male dominated industries, so some of her communication style is obviously impacted by this, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, as I'm quite tired of the way that women are expected to be constantly soft spoken and controlled when discussing issues as devestating as r*pe, CSA, female infanticide and child brides. I relate to her more than I relate to FDS content, which is often super contradictory ("Men are a huge statistical risk to our health and wellbeing- but here are our top tips for ways you can still co-habit with your most dangerous natural predator!' ... ??? Why not promote female-centric cohabitation where there are more women to help safely nurture a family? Why are men still being centered in this space?). Tbh there is toooo much internalized misogyny among women, too much attachement to the idea of men being essential to women's happiness, and a lack of depth of inquiry into male bahaviour, which leads to women not only putting themselves in harms way, but also other women and children. Often in my life I have been disgusted not only by the actions of men, but the women around them that enable their violence in order to be accepted by those men, especially as it pertains to putting children in harms way. (Plenty of these women even claim to be feminists! Well damn sis, if I'm in a tough spot with the patriarchy I'm sure as hell not coming to those self-proclaimed feminists, I'd rather go to Princella any day.)

As for Princella not identifying with feminism, well idk if you noticed but white women have repeatedly co-opted feminism in a way that excludes the contributions of women of colour. Although I personally identify as a feminist I understand that many WOC don't want to, because of minimizing of our contributions, and the pedastalling of racist women like Susan B Anthony as 'feminist icons' -ick. Not to mention this BS mordern-day 'girlboss' feminism, which frankly FDS at times veers towards. 'Get your bag and vet the man' doesn't really cut it even in more progressive societies due to the patriarchal justice system, it doesn't address the undervaluation of female labour and doesn't adequately guide women in the depravity of male nature- as a result, many of these conversations are not going deep enough into the roots of the dysfunction, nor do they posit genuine solutions for big picture systemic change. Tbh I think Princella is justified in yelling because there are some pickme women who will not listen, even when men are showing you all the time exactly who and what they are, they're still like 'ohhh but how do I get a man to like me tho?' (still frequently see that kind of post here on FDS).

Princella says you have to be open to her message because if you're running the internal script of internalized misogyny you are going to cling to your delusion regardless of what facts she's presenting. 'Cult-y' was your accusation- look, just because someone is looking for likeminded people to organize with, doesn't mean its a cult. I personally have no interest in arguing with pick-mes, when my views are based on the observable and documented nature of men over hundreds of years and their comebacks are like 'Not my man though, he sometimes washes his dishes and buys me flowers and... [insert any other normal adult behavior which says nothing about the man's level of self-development or lack of misogyny] .' Sis what? Are we even speaking on the same level? No. I'm not trying to organize among women like that, nor am I trying to enlighten people who are attached to their comforting delusions. If you're on the same level and have done the work, we can work together, but if you're bringing your male-identified, pick-me nonsense to my space, just get out, I have better things to do. I like women like Princella who are forthright, say what they mean and don't take any BS. It's rare to find a woman who has deeply dealt with her internalized misogyny to a point where she can both be femme and masc at the same time without caring what others think. She's right that women need to stop seeing ouselves as victims who are waiting around for men to change, we need to fight back to protect the planet, our children and eachother. When she talks about women being gods and having responsibility, I think her point is that we are the creators of life. We are the portal that every living human on this planet need to come through to do anything here. Men have shown for hundreds of years that they are incapable of the empathy and foresight needed to create a sustainable future on this planet, and we, as women, have not utilized our collective strength and organized against their destruction of Mother Earth. Our collective obsession with appeasing men and living alongside them rather than opposing them has left us unable to live alongside nature or offer true hope to any girls we birth into the world. We are bringing forth children into a world of misery. It is our responsibility as women to stop this, frankly I don't think that men are really capable of sharing this responsibility given their track record. And for us, continuing to perpetuate the unnatural system of the atomic family which was divised by partiarchy to control and limit us, is harmful. The only real issue I take with Princella is the same issue I have with FDS, which is lack of nuance regarding issues about trans people and general hatred towards trans people. I agree that we should have separate spaces, distinct voices and legal rights as biological women, but I'm often appalled by the way women on this forum talk about trans people, and even though I'm a cis woman it has driven me off this site numerous times.