I wanted to piggy back off a previous post where a member doesn't find men attractive after leveling up. I made a comment on how men in the 40, 50's and 60's were better looking...especially film stars. What has happened since then? Has anyone noticed how feminine most men look today? Is is low testosterone? Obesity? I hardly see any bone structure in their faces. I've noticed this on dating sites. I hardly find any of the men in my age group attractive. This week I swiped right on TWO that were decent looking.
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I assume that you are living in an English-speaking western country. Sadly, the USA, Canada, Australia, UK and New Zealand all have highly asymmetrical cultural beauty standards for both sexes, IMHO. Men from these nations often wear their lack of presentation with pride, especially if they're with a woman who's clearly put in effort. It's also the origin of the notion that "wOmeN cAre aBoUt rEsOurCes, mEn cAre aBoUt LoOks" shtick that incels and/or the terminally online spill - no man with eyes can deny that handsomeness is absolutely a turn on for women.
The same is not true in some parts of Western Europe and East + Southeast Asia. Check any K-drama: the young male romantic leads are at least expected to be attractive to the female gaze, on baseline, and South Korea has some of the highest rates of plastic surgery uptake among men in the world. This is part of the reason K-pop bands are so popular with young women, IMO. In Western European countries, too, there are a lot more men who present themselves with thoughtful grooming and hair and a pleasing scent than other nations. My friends and I were honestly quite surprised when we visited - men with that level of attention to personal grooming would be considered gay where we're from, which says something horribly sad about the state of men.
Honestly, the epidemic of male ugliness needs to be stopped. This is a very personal boycott, but I do my part to change the needle:
- I discuss whether or not I find passing men handsome with my women friends, and am not afraid to share my opinion if that answer is "no."
- I simply don't tolerate men who are underdressed for any situation. I will point it out to others. ("He seems not to have gotten the dress code info.") I've only had one date show up underdressed to meet me, and I left very quickly afterwards - naturally, a man who was inconsiderate to me about the importance of his physical presentation quickly showed himself to be inconsiderate of other things, too.
- I refuse to consume any media where unattractive men get paired with someone who isn't a female equivalent (and this isn't considered remarkable).
- I only compliment men on the effort they put into their appearance, and only in the presence of company. Passive-aggressive, but men need to know they're being looked at. More personal compliments are reserved for if we are ever in private and I already have feelings for them.
- Finally, I just treat unattractive men as invisible to me. Like....do I really care about a man if he can't be bothered showing the basic courtesy of grooming and decent fashion sense? Treat low-effort and/or ugly men as they treat similar women.
Well testosterone and sperm count is dropping worldwide. The Y chromosome is degenerating right now. Nature is tired of men by the look of things. Even when I look around I see no suitable potential partner while when I see video's of the 1960's I wish I could marry one of those Chads.
I don't glamorize old movie stars. Some of them look good, true, but they were also often addicts and misogynist assholes (Gene Kelly had a wife who was almost 50 years younger than him!). Just because fashion was different back then doesn't mean the quality of men was better. Also we can't measure the general population by the looks of actors, those have always been outliers and still are. After all, there's still attractive male actors today but most men don't look like them, just like most women don't look like Hollywood actresses or insta models either. Don't underestimate the power of lighting and makeup either.
I think many of the ‘Alpha’ men with good genes died at war. They’d be the first ones drafted and put on the front lines. Asides from that, poor diet and lifestyle habits also contribute.
Then there’s the fact that women put way more effort into their appearance—hair, makeup, exercise, and we even go as far cosmetic surgery. The average man doesn’t do all that because he expects to be accepted as he is. Because I have impeccable hygiene and take pride in my appearance, it makes me hyperaware of these things so most men look dirty to me, and that makes it even harder to find a guy.
I think poor nutrition and a lack of physical activity play a big role in what you’re describing. It does seem like far more men have weak bone structure nowadays — weak-chinned men are everywhere in the U.S. which kind of explains why beards are so popular. I just saw a study that found a negative association between screen time and bone health in children, which makes sense. In the past, children were typically playing outside, especially boys, and now they’re indoors and inactive.
I also suspect GMO and processed/chemical-laden foods are major culprits here too as they are bad for the gut. Poor gut health prevents the uptake of nutrients vital to bone health, like calcium and vitamin D.
I’ve also noticed that so many men have a slumped posture from excessive phone/computer use. Their porn addictions are literally breaking their backs.
If all the top leftists say we are in late stage capitalism, then I say we are in late stage patriarchy. Men today do not even try to put effort into their appearance--they've started to just call women shallow for not wanting an objectively ugly, ungroomed slob. They are balding and having erectile dysfunction earlier than ever before in history, yet expect even more submission from women.
Marriage, for thousands of years, has basically been slavery, but they've always lied to us that it is about love. Now 12 year old boys are watching Andrew tate explaining that american women have 2 many rights so they should just go to a 3rd world country and dominate a woman there. Male entitlement has reached it peak, too--just like all the articles paid for by captains of industry blasting millennials for not buying X product, we now have men who want women to do all the housework while expecting half the bills paid too. The articles about men's loneliness crisis is the front page news, but the subtle headline is that this is women's fault for not wanting to pair up with these creatures.
And dont get me started on the men who straight up ask a woman to start an OF once they find her attractive. They're not even pretending to check her age nowadays.
Male entitlement is getting worse, I'm just waiting on 4th wave to become mainstream.
You forgot to mention the cartoon character t shirt, cargo shorts 4 sizes too big, stupid man bun, and leprechaun pube beard to top it all off.
Have you ever heard of mewing? There are a couple of orthodontist/dentist types who say that our jaws are changing shape most likely because of the change in food types we eat. Because our food is getting softer over the generations we aren't chewing as much and we hold mouth and tongue posture is off. Jaws are getting longer and thinner because of this.
I buy into it because when I tried mewing out of curiosity, I felt it became easier to breath. The shape of my trachea is just better that way I guess?
I don’t know if it’s my age or I am weird but I don’t like any of the male in the article. Men today looks better to me than men in previous generations. I don’t think men today look feminine, just not well groomed and unkept. Men who look after themselves looks good too. It’s just most men are lazy and don’t.
I definitely agree that men nowadays are underdressed a lot of the time. What annoys me about this is that in comparison with women, it's so easy for men to be considered "well-presented". Literally all they have to do is shower, shave and wear some clean clothes that are appropriate for the occasion. Women on the other hand, in addition to being clean and having clean clothes, they are often expected to wear make-up, do their hair, wear high-heels and remove the hair from most parts of their body, just to be well-presented. It's also worth pointing out that a man can re-wear the same outfit many times and he'll never be called out on it, whereas a woman who does the same thing would definitely be called out. The bar is so much lower for men and yet many of them don't even meet it.
● Shanna H. Swan, Ph.D., has been raising alarm about phthalates in the environment; these are used in plastics and are everywhere. They have demasculinizing effects that have been known since the 1950s. There are multiple studies showing it has had cumulative effects on humans.
● Tyrone Hayes has been raising alarm about atrazine, a widely used pre-emergent herbicide. It is a potent endocrine disrupter. It is banned in many countries.
The EPA is finally doing something.
● Many young men sit in front of screens all day and are physically unfit because of their sedentary lifestyle.
● The sad, standard American diet, is leading to widespread metabolic dysfunction and obesity.
● Another self-imposed toxin is heavy weed use.
These things and more are all drivers lowering the quality of men. Worse, it will affect the next generation too. This is sad news, and there is little you can do to undo this damage. But at least you know some of the why, and this effect is not your imagination.