Leftist Feminist Men

A lot of men that proclaim to be leftist and/or feminist are just spouting talking points that either increase their sexual access to women, allow them to hijack and distort what true feminism is, or otherwise benefit them in some way.

For example, these are usually the men who promote 50/50 dating while expecting you to do all the child-rearing, cooking, and housework. These are also the men that promote sex positivity because it increases their sexual access to women, and I'm sure being "in their feminine energy" decreases the amount of effort they'll have to put into dating. A real ally with show you over time that he sees women as people. That's literally the only green flag: good behaviour over time.

Men can’t be feminists, and feminism is only for female (real) women. End of.

Men can support feminism, but they need to understand thet it's not for men. Libfemmery is what you get when you let men into your feminism.

Avoid self-proclaimed male feminists at all costs. They have learned that the way to manipulate women into servitude these days is through fake empowerment, so they act like they "agree" with feminism only to benefit from it. After all, the "modern, independent woman" has her own money but also cooks, cleans, is sexually available, "kinky" and into non-monogamy. That is what they're hoping to sign up for when they "support" feminism. Actual male allies don't virtue signal, they just treat women well. They don't make feminism about themselves because they understand that feminism centers women, not men and what they want. Male "feminists" talk about men and their desires and how they relate to feminism all day long, they always relate women's behaviors back to men, and they can never just shut up and listen, but try to lecture women on feminism too. Note how your guy basically goes "but what about the meeeenz", like he wants to know what's in it for him, he can't let feminism just be something that's for women. He assumes women unfairly take some of his privileges so he wants to have some of the "female privileges" too. "Wah wah I don't want to be strong, I want to stay at home and play with puppies and babies all day like a woman!" This man won't do anything at all for you because it's either an "unfair expectation of men" or "you are so empowered, you can do it yourself". His life dream is to be total leech.

A HVM wants to support women instead of trying to get something out of feminism for himself. My partner is a great ally because he listens, empathizes, centers my needs, cares about my opinion, cares about my dreams, doesn't presume to know more about women's rights than me but is still aware of the struggles women face, openly challenges other men on their sexist comments when they make them in front of him, simply doesn't think in strict gender roles ... All while not patting himself on the back or anything. I observed these behaviors in him, he didn't have to highlight them to me.

I think these boys are too wimpy to be men, so they hide behind libfem bullshit.

I have an uncle who is like this. He was a high school teacher and was the leader of the feminists club at the school. His wife has major depression, so he is known by most in my family as a hero, because he's taken on much of her role as well. He works and does all the housework and raised their two girls almost entirely on his own. And I give him props for that- to an extent. But the thing is... he's just such a douche! Like, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the reason his wife is so depressed, and I think he gets off on the hero role. I've noticed he cannot handle dissenting opinions, whatsoever. He straight up bragged about how he used to tell his students, "either you're a democrat or you're going to fail this class". He toes the leftist line completely, right down to the trans nonsense- and if you disagree even one bit he will shame the crap out of you. And even though he raised his two girls, they are not well adjusted at all. Sure, having a mother who is present but basically MIA would be harmful, but I am sure his constant gaslighting and not feeling like your voice matters would be, too.

I stay away from any man who leans too far to one side- whether left or right.

Leftist men are the first to open the doors for male rapists to use gender self ID to get into women's prisons.

They are first to claim that women's hard won rights to female-only space are not worth defending, and the first to violently condemn and threaten women who disagree.

They tend to be sexist and now, porn addled.

Liberal scrotes are perverted losers

ok, well there's "energy"...and then there's the cold, hard fact of having a uterus or not. it's the erasure of "woman" from law and policy that i personally have a problem with. be in your feminine energy all you want, whatever that actually means...you're still not a WOMB-MAN. it gets a little more complicated for those born with both sets of genitalia, but i believe those are rare occurrences. there's a really great book about the topic called Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides.

I feel they are extremely confused.. The deeper issues of gender is that we ALL feel partially masculine or feminine because we are ALL born of a woman and a man. We all have masculine and feminine energies to varying degrees. The problem with this is that people think because they (women) may feel more masculine or (men) may feel more feminine, all of a sudden we are encouraging a switch in genders and this affirming serious puberty blocking meds and surgeries..when what we should really be teaching is that we ALL have levels of masculine and feminine because we were born from both. It does not mean we need to change genders.

I've shouted this from the rooftops for the past 15 years:

Modern-day liberal feminism is one of the worst things to happen to Western women in the 21st century. Correspondingly, 21st-century libfem/leftist men are some of the most sinister people I have encountered.*

They see nothing wrong with manipulating or bullying a woman into believing her body is public property. They see nothing wrong with sexually assaulting/raping a woman, tossing her aside after they've used her up, and calling her a whore/slut/town bicycle behind her back and sometimes to her face. They all expect 50/50.

There are few things I despise more than 21st-century libfem/leftist men. I avoid them entirely. Any woman living in the U.S. would be a fool not to do the same.

'But...but...but leftist men are still better than conservative men!" some of you pickmes may protest.

My advice: fuck around, find out.

*My observations apply to the U.S. I have not dated much in other countries.

I think most actual feminist men don't really waste their time spouting common progressive talking points. They're usually busy taking care of their careers and the people in their lives.

Also, honestly, I'd pass on any guy that is pro-gender ideology, but I'd pass on those that are anti-trans too. What I mean is that I'd like it if he saw them as people who deserve the same basic rights and compassion (conditionally though) as anyone else, but can see the illogical parts of TRA for what they are. Woman means "adult human female", not "anyone who identifies as a woman" because that is circular. Just as hens are adult female chickens, and roosters are adult male chickens, woman and man are adult human female and male respectively. If he's pro-letting-trans-women-in-women's-spaces, then he's out. He clearly doesn't care for women's feelings and the whole "male woman's" feelings > "female woman's" feelings reeks of misogyny. Theres a bunch of other stuff, but I'm sure you're already aware of it.

I think men who try to denounce that masculine and feminine thing are not necessarily bad because a lot of weird men think that a woman making money = masculine or something else dumb, but stay vigilant. If they're decrying all gender roles and think everything has to be 50/50, women should approach too, etc. then you obv know what to do. But if he's just like "having a job doesn't make a woman masculine you dolts", then that's fine.

I'm going to be honest, I've personally never met a man that truly lived up to my feminist standards, and my standards are not unreasonable. My female friends who are feminists meet my standards easily enough, but ALL the men I've come across always struggle with it. If you're ok with that struggle, then alright... but personally, that struggle is usually an indicator of conflicting values, not you being unreasonable, and "being ok with it" is venturing into "settling" territory. And sure, he could learn, but I learned these things through observations, analysis, and reading books, so if he expects me to teach him, I'd throw him out.

I'm not sure I know what you mean by masculine and feminine energies. Is that like a magical nü age thing? I dont believe in magic. Or do you just mean masculine and feminine personality traits? If so, I'd question why either of you are defining people using regressive, anti-woman gender stereotypes.

Regardless, men who lecture women on feminism or feminist topics are malignant scrotes whether they're right or not.

If he has to say it, then he’s not it.

An HVM will just behave in a way that shows he has respect for women and believes in equality.

Any guy who mouths off on how progressive he is, is virtue signalling.

The guys I saw at the Roe v. Wade rallies last year were creepy as hell. Sir, we already know you just want to be able to ejaculate in women with zero consequences. Go home creep.

I don't take those men serious.

I would say it depends on who it is and how they reached the conclusions they reached. For example the author of this article, a reply to someone objecting to his original article, is a thoughtful and well reasoned stance on the problems of trans politics and the major social policy implications in the UK. There isn't parroting of other people's ideas and is sticking to his original conclusions, even in the face of criticism, which speaks of someone who in this situation is willing to stand by his convictions.

The author admits he previous unaware position, which seemed to be more leftist, and how he reached the conclusions he has, which align with what has often been discussed here. The reply is here if you would like to read:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14767430.2018.1539825

He sounds insecure with himself. The only people who are drawn to that justification of gender conformity (as in how well you conform to gender stereotypes determines what you are) are people who have no self confidence in their own behavior/preferences. It's fully externalizing their locus of control to stereotypes.

This insecurity means they're never gonna let that security blanket go. And (my favorite) they will always need validation of the choices they do make, because they don't know how to interact with others without forcing a pity/support dynamic.