Sorry if this comes across as unpleasant to read. (I did warn you,) now onto my main topic. So I've been reading through everything pretty much here, and on other sites for and by women (such as Ovarit and ...this takes some courage to admit but awhile ago I used to sometimes look through a celeb gossip site which is mostly (actually only?? at this point) used by young women... it is a bit problematic but what I liked about that site was you see a wide variety of opinions. And one post there actually opened my eyes about transgender being actual human body mutilation... Because that site is less moderated than like Twitter so people can more easily speak their mind. As there's not so much policing there. The site I'm talking about is lolcow farms... Not to be confused with kiwi farms. It's a different website. A lot more women friendly... however still quite toxic in some ways... Though I haven't checked lolcow farms in about a year now. So this past year I've mostly been following (reading) posts on here and Ovarit.
My point being... The general message I get from everything overall is just:
Don't date (men). It's not worth it. Seems to be too much of an energy drain and you get little to nothing in return. Men often take advantage of you and there's not much you can do to avoid that except just avoiding men altogether. (Because LVM parade as HVM and it's very difficult to tell the difference between a psychopathic LVM pretending to be a normal human being and an actual normal human male.)
Dating women seems to be a lot better. For most people who do that. And I wouldn't mind but...... considering the extremely homophobic environment where I live, it's not even safe for me to do that.... And I really don't know if any women would be interested in dating me. So that feels a lot more awkward and I wouldn't know how to deal with all the hate I would receive from family and neighbors and people like those. (You would think that I live in a progressive country, but somehow my nearest environment is extremely conservative and I don't see that changing any time soon. Because I currently have no way of changing where I live and I don't even know if there even is any safe space to live. Or if safe spaces are just a lie people post about online.)
So asking other women out or even trying to meet other LB women doesn't seem like an option for me. (Also I wouldn't want to drag them into the drama and mess that is my family.... I don't know.... in that sense, I feel a lot more protective of women than I do of guys.... Like I wouldn't mind making a guy go through all this drama just to be with me. But I would feel pretty bad to put a woman through this.). Like it's not just about my own safety (I'm actually not that worried about this, because I know I can protect myself), but.... I'm more worried that my crazy family would actually hurt my partner's feelings and inflict emotional and psychological abuse on them. And nobody needs that.
So.... if I date, the only option available for me at this time I think... is dating men. But. Then I read the advice other women give and I just..... I don't want to deal with all of this nonsense men bring into romantic relationships. I don't want to give so much of my time and energy only to receive hate from the guys I might date. Because that is what I'm seeing everywhere: offline too. Women who date (or are in relationships with) men are getting badly treated by those men they date. Women either get ignored by their boyfriend or pressured into doing things they don't like doing. And women who are married or in a relationship or have kids ....these women look lonely and upset all the time.
Some background about me: I have been abused by my family. I now know what abuse is, (after therapy). I know about the terms used to describe abusive relationships. And I have decided to not put up with that from any romantic partner. Like I couldn't help being born into a crazy family. But why on earth would I tie myself willingly to an insane person?? I'd rather not.
So the chances of finding a normal healthy partner who I would be able to date are..... near zero. So the most sane and rational logical conclusion from all this, seems to be:
Just don't date.
(And then by extension I wouldn't use any strategies because I just wouldn't be taking part in the dating game.) I'd be like a WGTOW but ...unlike MGTOW who are just pretending to "go their own way" while still sticking themselves into women's business, ....I would like actually stay away from men altogether. Which is something I totally don't mind doing. (As I've been doing this pretty consistently for the past year.) But then I would also no longer have any use for continuing reading through dating advice or strategies.... Because I would just choose to not date at all.
Is there something I'm missing? Like an error in logic somewhere? I'm open to feedback if you feel like there's something I misunderstand about FDS or dating in general. I'm just putting this out there. This site, and others (mostly radfem circles, but they make a lot of good points, so...) have put me off the idea of dating in general. It doesn't seem worth it. Just saying... The idea of just living with friends or women roommates and keeping pets and houseplants seems so much more appealing than living with a partner. The idea of having extra time to myself just to unwind without having to coordinate schedules and fill up all my hours with random dates... the idea of just being free is more fun. I don't know. Like where is the joy in dating?
Is there any joy in romance? Valentine's Day is approaching and all people post about is how unhappy relationships and dating has made them.... So I'd rather just opt out.
I think the recent consensus is to *decenter* men, in an effort to level up personally and professionally, and maximize female benefit. Admittedly, I am a huge romantic. I still date, but my standards are sky high so they usually don’t make it past the first round lol.
When you're completely secure in yourself, you won't seek that external validation. Personally, I will only entertain the thought of a relationship if the person enhances my already good life.
i don't think it's FDS who tells you that. I think FDS helps us see the truth, and when we see it, we realize dating is poitless hahaha
i can tell you from my own experience that i'm much happier alone, even before i found FDS. there is no error in your logic. you are a reasonable person who has reached your own conclusions based on your experiences, the experiences of other women - online and off line as well - and based on facts. your conclusion makes absolute sense.
understanding that i'm happier alone has been the best thing that has ever happened to me. even my career is finally getting somewhere becaue by lerning how to appreciate my solo way of living, i have improved my self esteem and have found the time and evnergy to level up. i feel FREE! and i think all women should feel that way.
if a HVM ever decides to chase me, he'll have to prove himself worthy of my love because i'm not taking shit from men anymore.
i believe the point of FDS is to level up in your life as a whole. if that means you're better off alone, then so be it!
I agree with aurora. Don't conflate decentering men with quitting dating. Yes, the former is necessary. The second.. It really depends from age, work status, mental health, location, life goals. I think there are instances in which giving it a try doesn't subtract anything from your life. Others where you have much more to lose. You have to evaluate if dating benefits you at a particular time/place. If it does, FDS gives you tools to do so safely. But if it doesn't that's ok too, leaning WGTOW. Just decenter men and level up and whatever you choose, will be a choice made from a mental place of clarity and power. There are no other rules than " maximum female benefit" and "decenter men". You get to decide what that looks like.
It's not FDS that's making you think that, it's the constant sad reality that is 'men' in this day and age.
Concentrate on you and your own happiness. Leave the men in the dust until you find one that can complement you and help build you up.
+1 to the idea of decentering men. You're making sure you're OK regardless of a man showing up.
You may like this thread if you haven't seen it already. It's not you; a lot of men are not actually wanting to date. It is using/abusing/lowballing with false promises and a pretty package if we are lucky. The culture is quite broken, and IMO it's not making a man be "put through" something if you use basic vetting strategies to reduce your time and energy spent on men.
https://www.thefemaledatingstrategy.com/forum/dating-relationships/are-we-really-giving-up-on-dating-if-most-men-don-t-even-want-to-truly-date
I mean, yeah, dating is pretty pointless as far as I can tell.
But you do you.