I lived in Europe for a few years dating European and a few American men.
A few thoughts:
- Australian men are more entitled and used to the woman doing all the work. The men here are so laid back and women have to initiate most encounters. We don't really have much of a dating culture here. The American and European men I dated took the lead more, planned activities, paid for dates, held doors open, brought me gifts, were more romantic, pursued etc. In many European couples the men will pay the rent, bills etc. and in some cases it wasn't unusual for the woman to spend her salary on herself as she pleased (because she would typically be earning less) and the men were happy with it because they wanted their woman to look good/dress well. Australian women are keen to be 'equal' and so end up paying 50-50 or more whilst doing more housework and managing the children.
- There were some sad stats from the latest IPSOS survey on gender attitudes:
"In Australia, the key findings were as follows:
One fifth of Australians (22%) agree that gender inequality doesn’t really exist. Men are more than twice as likely to agree (30%), than women (14%).
A quarter of Australians (26%) believe that feminism does more harm than good, and one fifth (21%) believe that men have lost in terms of economic and political power or socially as a result of feminism. Again, men are at least twice as likely to say this than women." with many survey question results worse than our similars (USA, UK).
- Dating apps really took off here and are in the culture. Casual sex is a lot more common than in Europe yet men still devalue women who do it. The men have got so lazy now that most don't initiate on dating apps even if they are just looking for a hookup, if they are attractive enough they can just wait for the woman to make the first move. Men here are very laidback and most don't dress that well or look after their appearance, so the ones that do are in high demand and know that they don't have to treat women well to go on a dates with lots of women. Most like things to remain casual while they try and pursue other women.
- From what I've seen Australian men take years to propose, often buying property 50-50 with a woman before getting engaged/married.
Australians like to think we are very progressive with gender equality (as did I before I moved abroad and experienced living in another country) but we are really still very misogynistic but in heaps of denial about it.
In order to be equal, it's like we are taking away the 'benefits' of patriarchy before beginning with the serious issues. E.g. trying to push 50-50 and casual sex 'empowerment' when these things actually just benefit men.
I’ve dated one Australian man and he ended up being insufferable. He was overly sensitive about how people perceived gender roles in our relationship and was terrified someone would think I “wore the pants” in our relationship, and tried to use this insecurity to get his way over the stupidest stuff.I also learned that Australia is a very racist country, and while he pretended to be a decent person, once his mask slipped, I realized he was hugely racist. I grew up in D.C. and when going to visit my family we were just walking around and I realized he was terrified of black men (most people in D.C. are black.) He was so pathetic, acting like a fool every time a black man passed us on the sidewalk. He was so jumpy and embarrassing. I lost all respect for him and realized that many Australians have some fucked up baggage related to race and gender.
What you ladies described about Australian men could describe every man in Ireland now. I don't think these men exist in just Australia or Ireland though, I think it's a global problem unfortunately. Men have devolved themselves to the point that women don't want their stress in their lives anymore.
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I lived in Europe for a few years dating European and a few American men.
A few thoughts:
- Australian men are more entitled and used to the woman doing all the work. The men here are so laid back and women have to initiate most encounters. We don't really have much of a dating culture here. The American and European men I dated took the lead more, planned activities, paid for dates, held doors open, brought me gifts, were more romantic, pursued etc. In many European couples the men will pay the rent, bills etc. and in some cases it wasn't unusual for the woman to spend her salary on herself as she pleased (because she would typically be earning less) and the men were happy with it because they wanted their woman to look good/dress well. Australian women are keen to be 'equal' and so end up paying 50-50 or more whilst doing more housework and managing the children.
- There were some sad stats from the latest IPSOS survey on gender attitudes:
"In Australia, the key findings were as follows:
One fifth of Australians (22%) agree that gender inequality doesn’t really exist. Men are more than twice as likely to agree (30%), than women (14%).
A quarter of Australians (26%) believe that feminism does more harm than good, and one fifth (21%) believe that men have lost in terms of economic and political power or socially as a result of feminism. Again, men are at least twice as likely to say this than women." with many survey question results worse than our similars (USA, UK).
- Dating apps really took off here and are in the culture. Casual sex is a lot more common than in Europe yet men still devalue women who do it. The men have got so lazy now that most don't initiate on dating apps even if they are just looking for a hookup, if they are attractive enough they can just wait for the woman to make the first move. Men here are very laidback and most don't dress that well or look after their appearance, so the ones that do are in high demand and know that they don't have to treat women well to go on a dates with lots of women. Most like things to remain casual while they try and pursue other women.
- From what I've seen Australian men take years to propose, often buying property 50-50 with a woman before getting engaged/married.
Australians like to think we are very progressive with gender equality (as did I before I moved abroad and experienced living in another country) but we are really still very misogynistic but in heaps of denial about it.
In order to be equal, it's like we are taking away the 'benefits' of patriarchy before beginning with the serious issues. E.g. trying to push 50-50 and casual sex 'empowerment' when these things actually just benefit men.
I’ve dated one Australian man and he ended up being insufferable. He was overly sensitive about how people perceived gender roles in our relationship and was terrified someone would think I “wore the pants” in our relationship, and tried to use this insecurity to get his way over the stupidest stuff. I also learned that Australia is a very racist country, and while he pretended to be a decent person, once his mask slipped, I realized he was hugely racist. I grew up in D.C. and when going to visit my family we were just walking around and I realized he was terrified of black men (most people in D.C. are black.) He was so pathetic, acting like a fool every time a black man passed us on the sidewalk. He was so jumpy and embarrassing. I lost all respect for him and realized that many Australians have some fucked up baggage related to race and gender.
What you ladies described about Australian men could describe every man in Ireland now. I don't think these men exist in just Australia or Ireland though, I think it's a global problem unfortunately. Men have devolved themselves to the point that women don't want their stress in their lives anymore.